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No kerroppas toki, että kuka pisti ja miksi? Kerran tietoa löytyy, niin faktat tiskiin vaan.
Ukraina ja siitä oppiminen
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No kerroppas toki, että kuka pisti ja miksi? Kerran tietoa löytyy, niin faktat tiskiin vaan.
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No jos ne twiittaa mitä ampuvat alas niin kai ne voisi netistä jostain radar24 tarkistaa myös mikä kone on kyseessä..
e: en epäile etteikö kyseessä olisi kapinallisten harha laukaus
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Joo. Astetta karumpi video.
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Noniin. Näyttää löytyvän saksalaisiakin. Vielä pari kiinalaista tohon niin alkaa veli venäläisen otsalla hikikarpalot valua.
MH17 crash: Unofficial list of nationalities on board - Nation | The Star Online
Lainaan tähän väliin Garry Kasparovin tuoreinta tweettiä. Tämä tuntuu olevan monelle politikolle mahdottoman vaikea käsittää. Silmät kiinni niin asiat palaa entiselleen, not.
Garry Kasparov @Kasparov63
edit: Kannattaa toistaiseksi muistaa että myös Ukrainan armeijalla on alueella IT-ohjuksia. Senkään poppoon ammattimaisuus ei toistaiseksi ole vakuuttanut. Eikä olisi ensimmäinen kerta kun Ukrainan armeija pudottaa siviilikoneen. Onneksi tuolle alueelle on suunnattu sen verran tutka/sateliittivalvontaa että varmasti saadaan nopeasti selville mistä se ohjus tuli.
MH17 crash: Unofficial list of nationalities on board - Nation | The Star Online
Lainaan tähän väliin Garry Kasparovin tuoreinta tweettiä. Tämä tuntuu olevan monelle politikolle mahdottoman vaikea käsittää. Silmät kiinni niin asiat palaa entiselleen, not.
Garry Kasparov @Kasparov63
edit: Kannattaa toistaiseksi muistaa että myös Ukrainan armeijalla on alueella IT-ohjuksia. Senkään poppoon ammattimaisuus ei toistaiseksi ole vakuuttanut. Eikä olisi ensimmäinen kerta kun Ukrainan armeija pudottaa siviilikoneen. Onneksi tuolle alueelle on suunnattu sen verran tutka/sateliittivalvontaa että varmasti saadaan nopeasti selville mistä se ohjus tuli.
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no tässä tulee :
In several eastern Ukrainian towns over the past week, the military opened fire on its own citizens. Dozens may have been killed in the violence. Although the US government generally condemns a country’s use of military force against its own population, especially if they are unarmed protesters, this time the US administration blamed the victims. After as many as 20 unarmed protesters were killed on the May 9th holiday in Ukraine, the State Department spokesman said “we condemn the outbreak of violence caused by pro-Russia separatists.”
Why are people protesting in eastern Ukraine? Because they do not believe the government that came to power after the US-backed uprising in February is legitimate. They do not recognize the authority of an unelected president and prime minister. The US sees this as a Russian-sponsored destabilization effort, but is it so hard to understand that the people in Ukraine may be annoyed with the US and EU for their involvement in regime change in their country? Would we be so willing to accept an unelected government in Washington put in place with the backing of the Chinese and Iranians?
The US State Department provided much assistance earlier this year to those involved in the effort to overthrow the Ukrainian government. The US warned the Ukrainian government at the time not to take any action against those in the streets, even as they engaged in violence and occupied government buildings. But now that those former protesters have come to power, the US takes a different view of protest. Now they give full support to the bloody crackdown against protesters in the east. The State Department spokesperson said last week: “We continue to call for groups who have jeopardized public order by taking up arms and seizing public buildings in violation of Ukrainian law to disarm and leave the buildings they have seized.” This is the opposite of what they said in February. Do they think the rest of the world does not see this hypocrisy?
The residents of eastern Ukraine have long been closer to Russia than to the US and EU. In fact, that part of Ukraine had been a part of Russia. After February’s regime change, officials in the east announced that they would hold referenda to see whether the population wanted autonomy from the US-backed government in Kiev. The US demanded that Russian President Putin stop eastern Ukraine from voting on autonomy, and last week the Russian president did just that: he said that the vote should not be held as scheduled. The eastern Ukrainians ignored him and said they would hold the vote anyway. So much for the US claims that Russia controls the opposition in Ukraine.
Even though the Russian president followed US demands and urged the eastern Ukrainians to hold off on the vote, the US State Department announced that the US would apply additional sanctions on Russia if the vote is held! Does this make any sense?
The real question is why the US government is involved in Ukraine in the first place. We are broke. We cannot even afford to fix our own economy. Yet we want to run Ukraine? Does it really matter who Ukrainians elect to represent them? Is it really a national security matter worth risking a nuclear war with Russia whether Ukraine votes for more regional autonomy and a weaker central government? Isn’t that how the United States was originally conceived?
Has the arrogance of the US administration, thinking they should run the world, driven us to the brink of another major war in Europe? Let us hope they will stop this dangerous game and come to their senses.
Dr. Paul Craig Roberts: The U.S. Definitely Wants War in Ukraine | Greg Hunter?s USAWatchdog siitä lisää,ja googlella vielä enemmän... ja BRICS-kehityspankki perustettiin haastamaan länsimaiden hallitseva asema maailman rahoitusmarkkinoilla...ja koita yhdistellä pisteitä,raha se määrää aivan kaiken,mut luuletko,että sä tuut samaan tiedon valtamediasta ?
ja vielä tosta koneesta :
A Malaysia Airlines’ Boeing-777 with over 280 passengers on board has crashed in Ukraine, close to the border with Russia. Both Kiev and the opposition deny involvement in the incident.
The head of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of Ukraine Anton Geraschenko said the plane carrying 280 passengers and 15 crew members fell.
Malaysia Airlines has confirmed that it has lost contact with the plane when it was flying over Ukrainian soil.
The passenger plane was expected to enter Russian airspace at 5:20pm local time, but never did, a Russian aviation industry source was cited by Reuters.
“The plane crashed 60km away from the border, the plane had an emergency beacon,” ITAR-TASS cited its source.
Residents have reported finding debris from a plane, which they say could belong to the Malaysian Boeing. They said that several dozen dead passengers have been found, RIA Novosti reports.
Groups that are fighting Kiev’s forces in eastern Ukraine have rejected any involvement in the incident, as there are reports that the plane was shot down.
The Donetsk People’s Republic claims its self-defense forces simply don’t have such military equipment.
Donetsk People's Republic PM Aleksandr Boroday has called the incident a “provocation by the Ukrainian military”.
“We confirm that the plane crashed not far from Donetsk,” Boroday said. “Representatives of Donetsk People's Republic have headed to the scene of the plane search.”
“Self-defense forces have no air-defense, which could target transport aircraft at that height,” he told Interfax.
“We have only MANPADs (portable anti-aircraft missile complex) which hit targets at 3-4 kilometers,” Sergey Kavtaradze, representative for Donetsk People’s Republic PM, also told journalists.
Russia’s military also says none of its military planes have been flying close to the Russia-Ukraine border on Thursday, RIA Novosti reported citing a military official.
Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko has not ruled out that a Malaysian plane has been shot down.
“We don’t rule out that this plane was shot down and stress that Ukrainian forces did not fulfill any actions targeting in the air,” Poroshenko said. He added that an investigation commission will be launched.
At the same time, Anton Geraschenko said on his Facebook page that the plane was targeted from the air defense missile complex "Buk".
RIA Novosti is citing its source who said that Kiev indeed deployed “Buk” in the Donetsk region.
“According to the system of objective control, "Buk" division of the armed forces of Ukraine was relocated to Donetsk region on Wednesday. Now in Kharkov another division is being prepared,” the source said.
The sources stressed that aircraft flying at an altitude of over 10 kilometers can only be targeted by C-300 class weapons or ‘Buk”.
A source in Russia's federal air traffic agency Rosaviatsia has said that three days ago Ukraine’s National Security and Defense Council closed the airspace over eastern Ukraine because of the so-called “anti-terrorist operation” that Kiev conducts in the region.
Earlier a representative of Donetsk People’s Republic said that civil aviation planes could not fly over Donetsk and Lugansk regions. He added that all necessary traffic control and navigation equipment was damaged.
“Dispatching support of all passenger flights is being conducted from Kiev. How this plane could be there - is not clear,” a representative of Donetsk People’s Republic said.
Patrick Lancaster, who was at the crash site of the Malaysian jet, said the self-defense forces on the ground have confirmed the plane was “definitely shot down.”
“Soldiers told us that there are bodies scattered all around the area… They’re waiting on the prime minister of the Donetsk People’s Republic to come and inspect the area,” he told RT.
The Boeing-777, whose maiden commercial flight was almost exactly two decades ago, had previously suffered ten serious incidents, according to the Aviation Safety Database.
The most notorious of these involved another route performed by the same company, Malaysia Airlines Flight 370, during which the US-made aircraft disappeared off the radars between Kuala Lumpur and Beijing, in March this year. Despite an international search effort costing tens of millions of dollars, the plane, the reasons for whose disappearance have still not been definitively established, has not yet been recovered.
Another widely-covered incident occurred last year, when Asiana Airlines Flight 214 pilot crashed into the seawall just short of the landing strip at San Fransisco International Airport, prompting the fuselage to drag across the runway as it disintegrated in a fire. Three people died as a result of the incident – the first fatalities in the history of the model, which is regarded as very safe in the industry.
Currently, about 1200 modifications of Boeing-777 are operated worldwide.
“A Boeing-777 is an extremely reliable piece of machinery. Modern planes don’t just crash with no reason,” pilot and aviation expert Yury Karash told RT. “Let us recall how a Ukrainian missile downed a Russian TU-154 aircraft ten years ago. I can’t completely exclude the possibility the Boeing-777 was also hit by a missile.”
“I don’t know who could’ve shot it down. But I can allege that it most likely was the Ukrainian armed forces: simply because its military – anti-aircraft defense, in particular – are, unfortunately, unqualified. As judging by the overall state of the Ukrainian armed forces, insufficient attention has been paid to their training,” he added.
In several eastern Ukrainian towns over the past week, the military opened fire on its own citizens. Dozens may have been killed in the violence. Although the US government generally condemns a country’s use of military force against its own population, especially if they are unarmed protesters, this time the US administration blamed the victims. After as many as 20 unarmed protesters were killed on the May 9th holiday in Ukraine, the State Department spokesman said “we condemn the outbreak of violence caused by pro-Russia separatists.”
Why are people protesting in eastern Ukraine? Because they do not believe the government that came to power after the US-backed uprising in February is legitimate. They do not recognize the authority of an unelected president and prime minister. The US sees this as a Russian-sponsored destabilization effort, but is it so hard to understand that the people in Ukraine may be annoyed with the US and EU for their involvement in regime change in their country? Would we be so willing to accept an unelected government in Washington put in place with the backing of the Chinese and Iranians?
The US State Department provided much assistance earlier this year to those involved in the effort to overthrow the Ukrainian government. The US warned the Ukrainian government at the time not to take any action against those in the streets, even as they engaged in violence and occupied government buildings. But now that those former protesters have come to power, the US takes a different view of protest. Now they give full support to the bloody crackdown against protesters in the east. The State Department spokesperson said last week: “We continue to call for groups who have jeopardized public order by taking up arms and seizing public buildings in violation of Ukrainian law to disarm and leave the buildings they have seized.” This is the opposite of what they said in February. Do they think the rest of the world does not see this hypocrisy?
The residents of eastern Ukraine have long been closer to Russia than to the US and EU. In fact, that part of Ukraine had been a part of Russia. After February’s regime change, officials in the east announced that they would hold referenda to see whether the population wanted autonomy from the US-backed government in Kiev. The US demanded that Russian President Putin stop eastern Ukraine from voting on autonomy, and last week the Russian president did just that: he said that the vote should not be held as scheduled. The eastern Ukrainians ignored him and said they would hold the vote anyway. So much for the US claims that Russia controls the opposition in Ukraine.
Even though the Russian president followed US demands and urged the eastern Ukrainians to hold off on the vote, the US State Department announced that the US would apply additional sanctions on Russia if the vote is held! Does this make any sense?
The real question is why the US government is involved in Ukraine in the first place. We are broke. We cannot even afford to fix our own economy. Yet we want to run Ukraine? Does it really matter who Ukrainians elect to represent them? Is it really a national security matter worth risking a nuclear war with Russia whether Ukraine votes for more regional autonomy and a weaker central government? Isn’t that how the United States was originally conceived?
Has the arrogance of the US administration, thinking they should run the world, driven us to the brink of another major war in Europe? Let us hope they will stop this dangerous game and come to their senses.
Dr. Paul Craig Roberts: The U.S. Definitely Wants War in Ukraine | Greg Hunter?s USAWatchdog siitä lisää,ja googlella vielä enemmän... ja BRICS-kehityspankki perustettiin haastamaan länsimaiden hallitseva asema maailman rahoitusmarkkinoilla...ja koita yhdistellä pisteitä,raha se määrää aivan kaiken,mut luuletko,että sä tuut samaan tiedon valtamediasta ?
ja vielä tosta koneesta :
A Malaysia Airlines’ Boeing-777 with over 280 passengers on board has crashed in Ukraine, close to the border with Russia. Both Kiev and the opposition deny involvement in the incident.
The head of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of Ukraine Anton Geraschenko said the plane carrying 280 passengers and 15 crew members fell.
Malaysia Airlines has confirmed that it has lost contact with the plane when it was flying over Ukrainian soil.
The passenger plane was expected to enter Russian airspace at 5:20pm local time, but never did, a Russian aviation industry source was cited by Reuters.
“The plane crashed 60km away from the border, the plane had an emergency beacon,” ITAR-TASS cited its source.
Residents have reported finding debris from a plane, which they say could belong to the Malaysian Boeing. They said that several dozen dead passengers have been found, RIA Novosti reports.
Groups that are fighting Kiev’s forces in eastern Ukraine have rejected any involvement in the incident, as there are reports that the plane was shot down.
The Donetsk People’s Republic claims its self-defense forces simply don’t have such military equipment.
Donetsk People's Republic PM Aleksandr Boroday has called the incident a “provocation by the Ukrainian military”.
“We confirm that the plane crashed not far from Donetsk,” Boroday said. “Representatives of Donetsk People's Republic have headed to the scene of the plane search.”
“Self-defense forces have no air-defense, which could target transport aircraft at that height,” he told Interfax.
“We have only MANPADs (portable anti-aircraft missile complex) which hit targets at 3-4 kilometers,” Sergey Kavtaradze, representative for Donetsk People’s Republic PM, also told journalists.
Russia’s military also says none of its military planes have been flying close to the Russia-Ukraine border on Thursday, RIA Novosti reported citing a military official.
Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko has not ruled out that a Malaysian plane has been shot down.
“We don’t rule out that this plane was shot down and stress that Ukrainian forces did not fulfill any actions targeting in the air,” Poroshenko said. He added that an investigation commission will be launched.
At the same time, Anton Geraschenko said on his Facebook page that the plane was targeted from the air defense missile complex "Buk".
RIA Novosti is citing its source who said that Kiev indeed deployed “Buk” in the Donetsk region.
“According to the system of objective control, "Buk" division of the armed forces of Ukraine was relocated to Donetsk region on Wednesday. Now in Kharkov another division is being prepared,” the source said.
The sources stressed that aircraft flying at an altitude of over 10 kilometers can only be targeted by C-300 class weapons or ‘Buk”.
A source in Russia's federal air traffic agency Rosaviatsia has said that three days ago Ukraine’s National Security and Defense Council closed the airspace over eastern Ukraine because of the so-called “anti-terrorist operation” that Kiev conducts in the region.
Earlier a representative of Donetsk People’s Republic said that civil aviation planes could not fly over Donetsk and Lugansk regions. He added that all necessary traffic control and navigation equipment was damaged.
“Dispatching support of all passenger flights is being conducted from Kiev. How this plane could be there - is not clear,” a representative of Donetsk People’s Republic said.
Patrick Lancaster, who was at the crash site of the Malaysian jet, said the self-defense forces on the ground have confirmed the plane was “definitely shot down.”
“Soldiers told us that there are bodies scattered all around the area… They’re waiting on the prime minister of the Donetsk People’s Republic to come and inspect the area,” he told RT.
The Boeing-777, whose maiden commercial flight was almost exactly two decades ago, had previously suffered ten serious incidents, according to the Aviation Safety Database.
The most notorious of these involved another route performed by the same company, Malaysia Airlines Flight 370, during which the US-made aircraft disappeared off the radars between Kuala Lumpur and Beijing, in March this year. Despite an international search effort costing tens of millions of dollars, the plane, the reasons for whose disappearance have still not been definitively established, has not yet been recovered.
Another widely-covered incident occurred last year, when Asiana Airlines Flight 214 pilot crashed into the seawall just short of the landing strip at San Fransisco International Airport, prompting the fuselage to drag across the runway as it disintegrated in a fire. Three people died as a result of the incident – the first fatalities in the history of the model, which is regarded as very safe in the industry.
Currently, about 1200 modifications of Boeing-777 are operated worldwide.
“A Boeing-777 is an extremely reliable piece of machinery. Modern planes don’t just crash with no reason,” pilot and aviation expert Yury Karash told RT. “Let us recall how a Ukrainian missile downed a Russian TU-154 aircraft ten years ago. I can’t completely exclude the possibility the Boeing-777 was also hit by a missile.”
“I don’t know who could’ve shot it down. But I can allege that it most likely was the Ukrainian armed forces: simply because its military – anti-aircraft defense, in particular – are, unfortunately, unqualified. As judging by the overall state of the Ukrainian armed forces, insufficient attention has been paid to their training,” he added.
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Paitsi ettei siellä "protestoinut" kuin venäläiset äärinationalistit. Kukaan ei ole vieläkään kysynyt näiltä ihmisiltä kannattavatko he sotaa. Krimilläkin tarvittiin bussilasteittain venäläisiä äänestäjiä, ukrainalaismielisten blokkaaminen parlamentista ja 116% äänestystulos alueilla, joissa venäläiset sotilaat äänestivät vapaasti. Puolet väestöstä boikotoivat koko "vaaleja" ja parlamentin jäsenet raportoivat antaneensa äänen Venäjään liittymisen puolesta, vaikka heitä ei edes päästetty koko äänestykseen.
Haisee imperialistinen paska ja se löyhkä ei ole tosiaan peräisin lännen puolelta. EU ei koskaan sanellut, että Ukraina ei saisi olla osa EU:n vapaakauppasopimusta ja sen ohella kaveri Venäjän sekä sen liittolaisten kanssa osana näiden "Eurasian Customs Unionia". Vain Venäjä ja Putin uhkasivat blokata Ukrainan ulkomaankaupan itään (http://rt.com/business/167072-putin-ukraine-eu-association/) sekä toteuttivat uhkauksensa sodasta, kun tämä avautuminen länteen päin tapahtui. Jopa Janukovitch oli allekirjoittamassa sopparia EU:n kanssa, koska se olisi tietänyt ainoastaan lisää fyrkkaa Ukrainalle (EU ei edellyttänyt minkäänlaisia jäsenmaksuja tai muita rajoituksia tms. täysistä vientitullien lakkautamisesta, joka oli Ukrainalle EU:n suuntaan nettoviejänä selvä etu), kunnes Putin laittoi rajat säppiin ja lähes koko Itä-Ukrainan teollisuus joutui veitsenterälle. Olivat nääs täysin riippuvasia venäjänviennistä, kun putinistit eivät sallineet muuta kauppaa. "Hauska" yksityiskohta, että jopa "kommunistinen" Kiina, Vietnam sekä Kuuba liittyivät WTO:n ennen Venäjää.
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Voi vittu mikä video oikeasti? Paska pätkii kun mikä ja ton perusteella yritetään todistella jotain.
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Kiistätkö, että venäläisterroristit (separatistit) olisivat ampuneet tuon koneen alas?
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EU on vain paria sanaa vaille puolustusliitto. En usko, että Venäjä lähtisi ainoankaan EU-maan alueellista koskemattomuutta haastamaan. Ja luonnonvaroiltaan strategisimmat alueet (napojen öljyesiintymät) ovat jo nytkin NATO:ssa.
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Ihan sama kuka sen koneen tiputti, Venäjä kuitenkin vastuussa. Aiheutti toimillaan koko tilanteen.
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No juuri äsken Venäjän armeija ampui alas siviilikoneen, jonka kyydissä oli useita satoja NATO-maiden kansalaisia. Minun on hyvin vaikea nähdä miten tämä ei olisi avoin sotatoimi esim Hollantia vastaan, jonka kansalaisia kuoli tuossa iskussa vissiin pitkälle toista sataa.
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Saatat olla oikeassa, mutta koitettaisiin pitää malttia. Pyrkisin tässä tilanteessa nimenomaan tiivistämään EU:n rivejä ja olemaan korostamatta USA:ta, koska Putin hakee juuri sitä. Saksa, Ranska, Britit ja Pohjoismaat partioimaan ilmatilaa, niin eivät voi ainakaan väittää, että mikään CIA tms. meitä komentaisi. Uskaltakaapas ampua alas tai edes uhkailla niitä Eurofightereita, kun tiedetään sekunin tarkkuudella missä jokainen kone liikkuu. Samalla toki lakkaisi Ukrainan omat ilmaiskut, mutta tokkopa nuo niitä kaipasivatkaan, koska "huhu" kertoo, että kansa ei ole mitään venäläisimperialisteja pohjimmiltaan.
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Hieman logiikkaa:
1) kapinalliset pudottivat koneen: niillä on oltava BUK ohjus, mutta eivät ole minkään operatiivisen tutkajärjestelmän piirissä ja ampuvat kaikkea mikä liikkuu. Saivat ohjuksen parvi päivää*sitten ja piti johonkin helppoon maaliin testata. PLAUSIBLE
2) Ukrainan armeija pudotti koneen: Alueelle siirretty BUK-patteristo, tutkajärjestelmä on, jos NATO antaa tiedustelutukea, eivät periaatteessa ammu mitä sattuu. Järjestelmän käyttäjät voivat olla kuitenkin melkoisia töhöjä, ei olisi eka kerta niiden it-torjunnan historiassa. kun ampuvat omia/väärää kohdetta. MOST PLAUSIBLE
3) Venäjän armeija pudotti koneen: Venäjän nykyinenkin ilmapuolustus surkea ja ampuu minne sattuu ta ampuivat tahallaan. Venäjän ilma-avaruuspuolustus pystyy havaitsemaan kaikki vähänkään isompien ohjusten laukaisut globaalisti. Yksi kohde.erehdys NL: aikana takana samoin kuin USA:lla. LEAST PLAUSIBLE
Ja viimeisin ongelma: Lännellä on kaikki syyt propaganda mielessä näyttää, että asialla EI ollut Ukrainan armeija., sen kanssa kun on näkyvästi liittouduttu. Venäjän propagandalle separatistien alas ampuma kone olisi kiusallista, mutta eihän Venäjä ole koskaan separatistien kanssa mitään liittoa tehnyt tai virallista tukea antanut.
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Finnairin koneet lensivätkin Ukrainan yli: "Pahoittelemme" | Ulkomaan uutiset | Iltalehti.fi
Meinaako ne, että kahdessa päivässä jotenkin rauhoittuu tuo tilanne tuolla? Varmaan kannattaisi suosiolla kiertää koko Ukraina niin kauan, kun tuolla konflikti on päällä.
edit:
http://www.iltalehti.fi/ulkomaat/2014071818500243_ul.shtml
Eikös tuo ole se porukka, jolla ei kuulemma ole sellaista kalustoa, jota juuri hiljattain esittelivät ylpeänä?
Meinaako ne, että kahdessa päivässä jotenkin rauhoittuu tuo tilanne tuolla? Varmaan kannattaisi suosiolla kiertää koko Ukraina niin kauan, kun tuolla konflikti on päällä.
edit:
http://www.iltalehti.fi/ulkomaat/2014071818500243_ul.shtml
Eikös tuo ole se porukka, jolla ei kuulemma ole sellaista kalustoa, jota juuri hiljattain esittelivät ylpeänä?
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En nyt oikein ymmärrä, miten jollekin on vielä epäselvää kuka ampui ja kenet. Jos oletetaan että terroristien twiitit (lol) olivat aitoja, niin tiedetään että heillä on tarvittava asejärjestelmä ja että he luulivat ampuneensa alas armeijan rahtikoneen samaan aikaan, kun tää matkustajakone ammuttiin. Se rahtikone kuitenkin saapui määränpäähänsä ehjänä. Ja sitten vielä toi youtubevideo noista keskusteluista.
Toki kaikki voi olla osa mestarillista lavastusta, mutta kumpi on todennäköisempää?
Toki kaikki voi olla osa mestarillista lavastusta, mutta kumpi on todennäköisempää?
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Just. Kuin tyhmä pitää olla, jos ei pidä lähes 100% varmana että ryssäseparatistit ampuivat koneen alas Putin tarjoamilla ohjuksilla. Ne helvetin ryssäkonnat ei kyllä ota vastuuta kuitenkaan mistään.
Kone tulee lännestä. Ammutaan alas Venäläis ohjuksella. Separatistit juhlivat twitterissä kun ampuivat "kuljetuskoneen" alas. Totuus kun selviää deletoivat kiireisesti twiittejään. Ovat ammuskelleet viimeaikoina useita koneita alas ja ylpeilleet saavutuksillaan.
Olikin vaan ajan kysymys milloin jotain tapahtuu. Venäläiset ovat vastuussa, kun antavat IT-ohjuksia idioottien käyttöön omien tarkoitusperiensä takia, mutta röyhkeään tapaansa syyttelevät muita.
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