Koronavirus, COVID-19

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Meta title: đŸ’„ Koronavirus, COVID-19 – maailmanlaajuinen kriisi joka mullisti arjen, talouden ja politiikan kertaheitolla

Meta description: Keskustelua COVID-19:n vaikutuksista, tutkimuksista, rokotteista ja arjen muutoksista – kokemuksia ja nĂ€kemyksiĂ€ ilman paniikkia tai alakehÀÀ.


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Mrna rokotteet herÀttÀÀ ainakin huolia monissa. Joka on normaalia.
NOin 40ssÀ pÀivÀssÀ kyhÀtty rokote on turvallinen ja pakko ottaa jos haluaa kahville 2022 luvun suomessa herÀttÀÀ oikeutetusti kysymyksiÀ.
Suurin huoli on pitkÀaikaisvaikutukset, piikkiproteiinit on myrkyllisiÀ jne. Onko nÀihin syytÀ? TÄtÀ on tutkittu erittÀin herkillÀ mittareilla 18-35 kertasilla annoksilla. EikÀ siltikÀÀn ole kertynyt elimistöön.
''Of these three parts, I most often see mRNA and its spike protein cited in safety concerns. But they all travel together. We have to understand where before we think about risks. The intramuscular route (
JĂ€nnitetty hauis
) dramatically limits travel to most organs |''

The study administered 50 micrograms of lipid nanoparticles to each rat. As explained by David Gorski, a professor of surgery at Wayne State University and editor of Science Based Medicine, this would effectively translate to a much higher dose in rats than in humans. This is due to the large difference in body weight:

“The human vaccine contains [
] basically ~0.46 mg lipids or 460 ÎŒg. Let’s just round it up to 500 ÎŒg (0.5 mg). That’s approximately 10x the dose given to the rats. However, for the typical ‘70 kg’ male, 0.5 mg represents a per-weight dose of 0.0071 mg/kg, or 7.1 ÎŒg/kg. Let’s compare to the rats, which generally weigh around 200 g (0.2 kg), give or take, at 8 weeks, which is the usual age rodents are used for experiments. That would translate to a per-weight dose of ~250 ÎŒg/kg. Even if you used much older rats, who can weigh as much as twice as much, that would still translate to a dose of 125 ÎŒg/kg. So we’re looking at a lipid nanoparticle [dose] of ~18-35 times higher (as a rough estimate) than the typical adult human dose.”

Ja sille on syy miks rokote lyödÀÀn lihakseen, se estÀÀ sen, ettÀ se lÀhtee kiertelee ympÀri elimistöö merkittÀvissÀ mÀÀrin.
Rokotteita on annettu miljardeja. NOin 30-50k ihmistÀ saanut jo 2vuotta sitten ensimmÀiset.

MitÀ mrna rokote pitÀÀ sisÀllÀÀn: Jaan tÀn kolmeen pÀÀ ''raaka-aineeseen''. Muut pystyy ostamaan jokainen kaupasta.
Lipidipartikkeli- eli rasvaa ja Polyetyleeniglykoli joka on laksatiivi.
Jota on tutkittu mm. LASTEN UMMETUKSEN HOITOON. https://www.kaypahoito.fi/nak08617
(ei ÀkkiseltÀÀn kuulostaa kauheen vaaralliselta)
UmmetuslÀÀkkeenÀ kÀytetÀÀn 5-10 gramman annoksia. Rokotteessa sitÀ on 50 mikrogrammaa.
Tuhansia kertoja vÀhemmÀn. Jos peg pelottaa, ÀlkÀÀ juoko maitoa, hedelmiÀ tai hilloa.
Ja sitten viestin viejÀ rna/mrna- Nukleioidihappo ''koodi'' joka kuljetettu proteiinin solun sisÀÀn.
''The final, most essential ingredient, of course, is some messenger RNA (mRNA), a type of nucleic acid, the code of which is “translated” into protein inside a cell.
This type of RNA is present in virtually all of our cells: our genes, encoded in DNA, are first transcribed into mRNA before being translated into proteins.
In the case of vaccines, mRNA molecules are delivered and translated,

but they subsequently decay and disappear entirely over the days following vaccination, without the possibility for renewal.
After all, we have no gene to refresh the vaccine-delivered mRNA encoding the spike protein.
Once this mRNA is cleared from our bodies, the spike protein too is gone, ( ja tÀmÀ tapahtuu suurimmilta osin muutamassa pÀivÀssÀ. Kaikkineen rippeineen viimestÀÀn 28vrkssa.)
having shortly existed as just one of tens of thousands of proteins in any given cell.''


(https://bostonreview.net/articles/the-long-term-safety-argument-over-covid-19-vaccines/)
Rokotteen kaikki ainesosat me tiedetÀÀn ja tunnetaan.
Jotka nÀitÀ kyhÀÀ tietÀÀ miten elimistö toimii sekÀ tietÀÀ miten nÀmÀ aineet toimii biologisesti ja fysiologisesti.
''To understand risk in this case, you need to understand what is happening in your body. The exact immune response elicited by COVID-19 vaccines varies between products,
but in all cases, T cells are primed and move out of the lymph nodes looking for a fight just days after the first dose is administered.
Systemic antibody levels rise substantially, increasing in abundance and affinity for the spike
protein after the second dose, which functions as a trigger to enhance immunity and convince your immune system that this particular foreign protein is something you may regularly
encounter and thus deserves to be taken seriously.

''Putting all this together, the implications for the long-term safety argument are clear. Interpreting personal risk based on complex data can certainly be overwhelming. There is no absolute certainty in biology and medicine; that is for the pure mathematicians. Yet it is crucial to recognize that the same holds true for any applied science—including all the engineering that goes into constructing the buildings we live and work in, the cars we drive in, and the bridges we cross every day.
It is natural and important to be concerned about safety, and there is no doubt that COVID-19 has caused an unprecedented disruption to our lives. But the right question to ask isn’t whether we have absolute certainty; it’s whether we have enough certainty. And in the case of the COVID-19 vaccines, the evidence is overwhelmingly clear: we do.''

Part 1. Halusitte tai ette, mÀ kyhÀÀn nÀitÀ lisÀÀ.
 
Ja urheilijoista, rokotteista ja lyyhistymistÀ:

A False Start For Sudden Cardiac Death In Athletes And COVID-19 Vaccines
By W. Glen Pyle | December 6th 2021 11:29 AM | Print | E-mail

W. Glen Pyle
Social media outlets are once again bubbling with misinformation about COVID-19 vaccines and cardiovascular disease. The latest uproar is over claims of a link between vaccines and increased rates of sudden cardiac arrest in athletes.
Despite the outcries of vaccination opponents, there is no connection between COVID-19 vaccines and sudden cardiac arrest in athletes. In fact, there is no increase in sudden cardiac arrests among athletes.
What is the Claim?
Numerous social media posts have emerged recently, claiming to show connections between dramatic increases in the number of athletes collapsing in competition and COVID-19 vaccinations. One article by Free West Media that has been re-posted by several well known COVID-19 vaccine skeptics, claims 69 athletes collapsed in October alone. The article alleges that these incidents “are often” caused by cardiovascular problems including myocarditis and stroke, and suggests that they are due to “the ongoing carnage that the [COVID-19] jabs have unleashed”.

The Facts
The Free West Media piece is a clear example of vaccine misinformation, with several key claims questionable at best, and others simply wrong.
The definition of ‘athlete’ used by the article is very broad, and in many cases not accurate. In one incident a golf caddy who collapsed is included, despite that fact that they were not a competitor in the event. Joe Plant, a British man who suffered cardiac arrest while walking as part of a fundraiser for the British Heart Foundation in September is included on the list. What isn’t included is the fact that Mr. Plant had a pre-existing cardiac condition, which is why he was walking to raise money for heart research. Moreover, the classification of a person walking to raise money as an ‘athlete’ is disingenuous. Overall, a review of the list finds that among those classified as ‘athletes’ are 8 spectators; 4 coaches or members of the team staff; 6 people not competing in a sporting event; and a referee who died in his sleep, with no mention of any recent involvement in sports.
Only two of the cases include any mention of COVID-19 vaccines. It isn’t known if any of the people who collapsed were vaccinated, or if they had experienced COVID-19
. SARS-CoV-2, the virus that causes COVID-19, has a lasting impact on a number of people referred to as ‘long-haulers’. A leading area of concern amongst people with long COVID-19 are cardiovascular complications that persist after infection.
Several of the cases provide no evidence of cardiac involvement at all. For example, a case from Arcisate, Italy describes a referee who suffered a “medical emergency” which ended the match. This generic description could be anything from sudden death, to a soft tissue injury that limited mobility and prevented completion of the match. While anyone who collapses should be cause for concern, the reasons for these incidents could be as simple as dehydration – a common and often readily treatable condition.
The Heart of the Problem
The list claiming 69 events of collapse or death has caused many people on social media to express concern that these events could happen in athletes. The list of commentators includes healthcare providers who claim that cardiac events like ‘sudden cardiac arrest’ should not occur in athletes, and that the most obvious culprit is a COVID-19 vaccine. These posts demonstrate a lack of understanding of cardiovascular conditions in athletes.
What is Sudden Cardiac Arrest?
Sudden cardiac arrest occurs when a person’s heart suddenly stops beating. Many people mistakenly describe this as a ‘heart attack’. A heart attack is when the heart receives insufficient oxygen because of a reduction in blood flow. Heart attacks often develop over time when the blood vessels that feed the heart – called coronary arteries – are gradually blocked. Heart attacks can occur suddenly if a clot breaks off to stop blood flow, or a blood vessel goes into spasm and closes. In many cases, the heart does not stop beating when a person has a heart attack.
In some cases, a heart attack may be severe enough to cause the heart to stop, but a heart attack is not required to cause sudden cardiac arrest. Sudden cardiac arrest often occurs because of problems in the heart’s electrical system that stimulates beating. Sudden cardiac arrest is commonly associated with genes that contain mistakes or ‘mutations’ that cause the electrical system of the heart to malfunction. People at risk for sudden cardiac death can have apparently normal health function, and sudden cardiac arrest is triggered by stressful conditions like exercise.
By the Numbers
Sudden cardiac arrest is a cardiovascular condition found throughout the world. In Canada alone, almost 100 people experience sudden cardiac arrest every day.
Sudden cardiac arrest is the leading cause of death in competitive athletes, with rates up to 1 in 20,000. Based on pre-COVID-19 studies, a young, competitive athlete dies from sudden cardiac arrest every 2-3 days in the United States. Unfortunately, these disturbingly high rates may be an underestimation as studies suggest that a large number of unexplained deaths among athletes are actually undiagnosed cases of sudden cardiac arrest.
Not Adding Up
The claim by COVID-19 vaccine opponents that sudden cardiac arrest does not occur in healthy young people is inaccurate. A UK organization called “Cardiac Risk in the Young” (CRY) has conducted research showing that over 80% of young people who are at risk of dying from sudden cardiac arrest have no prior symptoms or family history of cardiovascular disease. In another study, they found that enhanced medical screening of over 11,000 English football players (16-17 years old) revealed that 1 in 50 had heart abnormalities. The study also found that despite enhanced cardiac screening processes, the incidence of sudden cardiac death in this apparently healthy and active population was 1 in 14,794 person-years. The fact is: the vast majority of young people who experience sudden cardiac arrest are considered to be healthy prior to any cardiac incident and there are few or no signs before cardiac arrest. For many the first sign of a problem is sudden cardiac arrest.
A Trending Myth
If COVID-19 vaccines are not to blame, then what it causing increased rates of sudden cardiac deaths in athletes? The answer to that question is ‘nothing’, because there is no increase.
A Real Time News article collected information on sudden cardiac deaths among FIFA players and claimed that since the roll-out of COVID-19 vaccines, sudden deaths among football players has increased 500%. The article drew its data from media reports of deaths and compared these numbers to a historical record of deaths posted on Wikipedia. Based on this highly questionable analysis, the 500% increase in deaths was reached.
Agence France-Presse asked Drs. Florian Egger and Tim Meyer to review the information collected as part of the Real Time News article. Dr. Egger leads the "FIFA Register for Sudden Deaths and Cardiac Arrests", while Dr. Meyer is chairman of the medical commission of the German Football Association and team doctor for the German national football team. Both concluded that the evidence put forth by Real Time News did not support the claim of increased sudden cardiac deaths among FIFA players. In fact. Dr. Egger found that based on data collected by the FIFA registry over the first 10 months of 2021, rates are actually lower than pre-COVID-19 levels.
At the Finish Line

Despite the claims of multiple news organizations and social media commentators, there is no evidence that COVID-19 vaccines are associated with increased rates of sudden cardiac arrest in athletes. The basis for these claims comes from the selective use of information from online resources and media reports. Data from clinical trials and international sporting agencies have revealed no connection between sudden cardiac arrest in athletes and COVID-19 vaccines. In fact, peer-reviewed studies of COVID-19 trials report no connections between the vaccines and sudden cardiac arrest in any population.
Incidents of sudden cardiac arrest involving high profile athletes have always drawn significant public attention. These events are relatively rare, but widespread media coverage gives the impression that they are more common than they really are. The mismatch between public perception and epidemiological data on sudden cardiac arrest in athletes was well established before the development of COVID-19 vaccines. What is new is the irresponsible and dangerous dissemination of misinformation that incorrectly makes a connection between COVID-19 vaccines and sudden cardiac arrest.

 
MitÀs pakkisraati on mieltÀ. Jos tulee nÀmÀ digilompakot, passi ei ole vihreÀllÀ ja maksuliikenteesi keskeytetÀÀn. Onko kryptovaluutasta silloin apua? En omista yhtÀÀn, mutta alkanut vÀhÀn kiinnostamaan. (kaikki osakkeissa)
Oon miettinyt siltÀ kantilta ettÀ jos Suomeen tulee pakkorokotus sakkojen uhalla, niin oma varallisuus kannattaa laittaa fyysiseen kultaan ja hopeaan ja piilottaa ne helvetin hyvin (esim metsÀÀn). Luultavasti kullan ja hopean hinnat myös nousevat tulevaisuudessa loputtoman rahan printtaamisen takia.
 
Ja urheilijoista, rokotteista ja lyyhistymistÀ:

A False Start For Sudden Cardiac Death In Athletes And COVID-19 Vaccines
By W. Glen Pyle | December 6th 2021 11:29 AM | Print | E-mail
W. Glen Pyle
Social media outlets are once again bubbling with misinformation about COVID-19 vaccines and cardiovascular disease. The latest uproar is over claims of a link between vaccines and increased rates of sudden cardiac arrest in athletes.
Despite the outcries of vaccination opponents, there is no connection between COVID-19 vaccines and sudden cardiac arrest in athletes. In fact, there is no increase in sudden cardiac arrests among athletes.
What is the Claim?
Numerous social media posts have emerged recently, claiming to show connections between dramatic increases in the number of athletes collapsing in competition and COVID-19 vaccinations. One article by Free West Media that has been re-posted by several well known COVID-19 vaccine skeptics, claims 69 athletes collapsed in October alone. The article alleges that these incidents “are often” caused by cardiovascular problems including myocarditis and stroke, and suggests that they are due to “the ongoing carnage that the [COVID-19] jabs have unleashed”.

The Facts
The Free West Media piece is a clear example of vaccine misinformation, with several key claims questionable at best, and others simply wrong.
The definition of ‘athlete’ used by the article is very broad, and in many cases not accurate. In one incident a golf caddy who collapsed is included, despite that fact that they were not a competitor in the event. Joe Plant, a British man who suffered cardiac arrest while walking as part of a fundraiser for the British Heart Foundation in September is included on the list. What isn’t included is the fact that Mr. Plant had a pre-existing cardiac condition, which is why he was walking to raise money for heart research. Moreover, the classification of a person walking to raise money as an ‘athlete’ is disingenuous. Overall, a review of the list finds that among those classified as ‘athletes’ are 8 spectators; 4 coaches or members of the team staff; 6 people not competing in a sporting event; and a referee who died in his sleep, with no mention of any recent involvement in sports.
Only two of the cases include any mention of COVID-19 vaccines. It isn’t known if any of the people who collapsed were vaccinated, or if they had experienced COVID-19
. SARS-CoV-2, the virus that causes COVID-19, has a lasting impact on a number of people referred to as ‘long-haulers’. A leading area of concern amongst people with long COVID-19 are cardiovascular complications that persist after infection.
Several of the cases provide no evidence of cardiac involvement at all. For example, a case from Arcisate, Italy describes a referee who suffered a “medical emergency” which ended the match. This generic description could be anything from sudden death, to a soft tissue injury that limited mobility and prevented completion of the match. While anyone who collapses should be cause for concern, the reasons for these incidents could be as simple as dehydration – a common and often readily treatable condition.
The Heart of the Problem
The list claiming 69 events of collapse or death has caused many people on social media to express concern that these events could happen in athletes. The list of commentators includes healthcare providers who claim that cardiac events like ‘sudden cardiac arrest’ should not occur in athletes, and that the most obvious culprit is a COVID-19 vaccine. These posts demonstrate a lack of understanding of cardiovascular conditions in athletes.
What is Sudden Cardiac Arrest?
Sudden cardiac arrest occurs when a person’s heart suddenly stops beating. Many people mistakenly describe this as a ‘heart attack’. A heart attack is when the heart receives insufficient oxygen because of a reduction in blood flow. Heart attacks often develop over time when the blood vessels that feed the heart – called coronary arteries – are gradually blocked. Heart attacks can occur suddenly if a clot breaks off to stop blood flow, or a blood vessel goes into spasm and closes. In many cases, the heart does not stop beating when a person has a heart attack.
In some cases, a heart attack may be severe enough to cause the heart to stop, but a heart attack is not required to cause sudden cardiac arrest. Sudden cardiac arrest often occurs because of problems in the heart’s electrical system that stimulates beating. Sudden cardiac arrest is commonly associated with genes that contain mistakes or ‘mutations’ that cause the electrical system of the heart to malfunction. People at risk for sudden cardiac death can have apparently normal health function, and sudden cardiac arrest is triggered by stressful conditions like exercise.
By the Numbers
Sudden cardiac arrest is a cardiovascular condition found throughout the world. In Canada alone, almost 100 people experience sudden cardiac arrest every day.
Sudden cardiac arrest is the leading cause of death in competitive athletes, with rates up to 1 in 20,000. Based on pre-COVID-19 studies, a young, competitive athlete dies from sudden cardiac arrest every 2-3 days in the United States. Unfortunately, these disturbingly high rates may be an underestimation as studies suggest that a large number of unexplained deaths among athletes are actually undiagnosed cases of sudden cardiac arrest.
Not Adding Up
The claim by COVID-19 vaccine opponents that sudden cardiac arrest does not occur in healthy young people is inaccurate. A UK organization called “Cardiac Risk in the Young” (CRY) has conducted research showing that over 80% of young people who are at risk of dying from sudden cardiac arrest have no prior symptoms or family history of cardiovascular disease. In another study, they found that enhanced medical screening of over 11,000 English football players (16-17 years old) revealed that 1 in 50 had heart abnormalities. The study also found that despite enhanced cardiac screening processes, the incidence of sudden cardiac death in this apparently healthy and active population was 1 in 14,794 person-years. The fact is: the vast majority of young people who experience sudden cardiac arrest are considered to be healthy prior to any cardiac incident and there are few or no signs before cardiac arrest. For many the first sign of a problem is sudden cardiac arrest.
A Trending Myth
If COVID-19 vaccines are not to blame, then what it causing increased rates of sudden cardiac deaths in athletes? The answer to that question is ‘nothing’, because there is no increase.
A Real Time News article collected information on sudden cardiac deaths among FIFA players and claimed that since the roll-out of COVID-19 vaccines, sudden deaths among football players has increased 500%. The article drew its data from media reports of deaths and compared these numbers to a historical record of deaths posted on Wikipedia. Based on this highly questionable analysis, the 500% increase in deaths was reached.
Agence France-Presse asked Drs. Florian Egger and Tim Meyer to review the information collected as part of the Real Time News article. Dr. Egger leads the "FIFA Register for Sudden Deaths and Cardiac Arrests", while Dr. Meyer is chairman of the medical commission of the German Football Association and team doctor for the German national football team. Both concluded that the evidence put forth by Real Time News did not support the claim of increased sudden cardiac deaths among FIFA players. In fact. Dr. Egger found that based on data collected by the FIFA registry over the first 10 months of 2021, rates are actually lower than pre-COVID-19 levels.
At the Finish Line

Despite the claims of multiple news organizations and social media commentators, there is no evidence that COVID-19 vaccines are associated with increased rates of sudden cardiac arrest in athletes. The basis for these claims comes from the selective use of information from online resources and media reports. Data from clinical trials and international sporting agencies have revealed no connection between sudden cardiac arrest in athletes and COVID-19 vaccines. In fact, peer-reviewed studies of COVID-19 trials report no connections between the vaccines and sudden cardiac arrest in any population.
Incidents of sudden cardiac arrest involving high profile athletes have always drawn significant public attention. These events are relatively rare, but widespread media coverage gives the impression that they are more common than they really are. The mismatch between public perception and epidemiological data on sudden cardiac arrest in athletes was well established before the development of COVID-19 vaccines. What is new is the irresponsible and dangerous dissemination of misinformation that incorrectly makes a connection between COVID-19 vaccines and sudden cardiac arrest.

TÀÀ on aika vaikea aihe. Tuossa linkatussa blogikirjoituksessa viitataan artikkeleihin (Free West Media, Real Time News), missÀ selkeÀsti on syyllistytty click baittaamiseen ja laitettu reilua lapinlisÀÀ noihin sydÀrilukuihin. Kyseiset artikkelit sitten debunkataan helpohkosti, kun vain kerrotaan mikÀ niissÀ on selkeÀsti vÀÀrin (liian laaja data, vÀÀrÀt analyysimenetelmÀt, jne). TÀmÀ kirjoituksen lopussa oleva toteamus "The basis for these claims comes from the selective use of information from online resources and media reports," sopii mielestÀni ihan mainiosti myös tÀhÀn blogikirjoitukseen. Eli kun halutaan todistaa jokin yleinen vÀittÀmys vÀÀrÀksi, haetaan jotain bullshit artikkeleita, jotka on helppo ampua alas.

Sitten toisaalta blogisti olisi voinut myös viitata tÀhÀn wikipedia-artikkeliin https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_association_footballers_who_died_while_playing
ja ottaa jotain kantaa siihen, miksi noita 2021 raportoituja lukuja on ihan helvetisti enemmÀn kuin vaikkapa 2019-2020. En mÀ sano etteikö Wikipedia-artikkeleita olisi helppo manipuloida, mutta kyllÀhÀn noihin kaikkiin tapauksiin löytyy viittaukset.

Mun silmissÀ olisi aika paljon uskottavampaa lÀhteÀ debunkkaamaan jotain edes vÀhÀn uskottavampia vÀittÀmiÀ kuin noita click bait artikkeleita.

TÀssÀ vÀhÀn samaa ilmiötÀ sivuavaa pohdintaa:

Peter McCullough Joe Rogan podcastissa herÀtti tosi paljon keskustelua, mutta mun ihmetys on ollut, miksi kaveria yritetÀÀn mustamaalata eikÀ niinkÀÀn pyritÀ osoittamaan hÀnen vÀitteitÀÀn vÀÀrÀksi faktojen avulla?

Eli esim. hÀnen vÀittÀmÀnsÀ siitÀ, ettÀ ennaltaehkÀisevÀÀ koronan hoitoa on jenkeissÀ systemaattisesti yritetty haitata viranomaisten toimesta, ei mielestÀni ole oikein missÀÀn kiistetty. Alla yksi pyrkimys siihen, jonka mm. Sam Harris nosti esiin:


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8pcIbVvHI2c


Videolla sanotaan, ettÀ ei pidÀ paikkaansa - "kyllÀ minÀ tunnen monia lÀÀkÀreitÀ jotka nÀitÀ hoitoja mietti." OK. Korkeintaankin anekdootti, mikÀ ei oikeastaan ota mitÀÀn kantaa McCulloughin viranomaistoimintaa koskevaan vÀittÀmÀÀn. LisÀksi alkaa dissaamaan itse henkilöÀ sillÀ perusteella, ettÀ kuuluu johonkin kristillisten lÀÀkÀrien ryhmittymÀÀn joka joskus on julkaissut kyseenalaisia vÀittÀmiÀ (guilt by association).

Kannattaa katsoa koko video ja muodostaa oma nÀkemys jos ne Roganin podcastin asiat jÀi vaivaamaan.

TiivistÀen: monesti (ei aina!) nÀistÀ debunkkaus-artikkeleista ja videoista jÀÀ sellainen maku ettei oikein pÀÀstÀ niihin vÀittÀmien ytimeen vaan poimitaan helpot kohdat ja ollaan hiljaa itse asian pihvistÀ.
 
VÀhÀn reilu vuosi ensimmÀisestÀ tartunnasta sain tÀnÀÀn taas positiivisen paperit. Löytyykö foorumilta muita todistetusta tuplasti positiivisia tapauksia vai onko minulla kunnia olla ensimmÀinen?
 
VÀhÀn reilu vuosi ensimmÀisestÀ tartunnasta sain tÀnÀÀn taas positiivisen paperit. Löytyykö foorumilta muita todistetusta tuplasti positiivisia tapauksia vai onko minulla kunnia olla ensimmÀinen?
KÀytkö testissÀ jokaisen pikku oireen vuoksi? Olen ihmetellyt nÀitÀ ketkÀ saa posi tuloksia harvasepÀivÀ. Vai olitko molemmissa tapauksissa ns kunnolla sairas? Vissiin passissa oli pari leimaa vÀhintÀÀn?
 

Artikkeli vuodelta 2014.

"Yksi GĂžtzschen esimerkeistĂ€ on influenssapelon varjolla myyty Tamiflu, jota Euroopan maat ja Yhdysvallat hankkivat vuonna 2009 miljardeilla. LÀÀkeyhtiö Roche myi Tamifluta omien sanojensa mukaan ”hallitusten vastuullisena kumppanina niiden valmistautuessa pandemiaan”.

Ei ole olemassa vakuuttavaa nÀyttöÀ siitÀ, ettÀ Tamiflu estÀisi influenssakomplikaatioita tai vÀhentÀisi influenssan leviÀmistÀ ihmisten vÀlillÀ. Analyysin jÀlkeen Cochranen tutkijoille selvisi, ettÀ lÀÀke, jonka piti estÀÀ vakavia jÀlkitauteja ja influenssan leviÀmistÀ ja sairaalahoidon tarvetta ja kuolemia, olikin lÀhes tehoton. Parhaimmillaan Tamiflu vÀhensi influenssan kestoa 21 tuntia. LisÀksi todettiin, ettÀ lÀÀkkeellÀ on vakavia haittavaikutuksia, mutta niitÀ pimitettiin. GÞtzsche kutsuu kirjassaan Tamiflu-tapausta historian suurimmaksi ryöstöksi."

Kuulostaa jotenkin tutulta đŸ€”
 

Terveiset JepeltÀ, 55. Mun terveiset Jepen suuntaan alkusyksystÀ 2021 olisivat olleet, ettÀ harkitse nyt ainakin sitÀ rokotetta. IkÀvÀ sanoa, mutta onneksi olen vielÀ nuorehko. Jos olisi itse yli viisikymppinen ja mitenkÀÀn edes "rotevassa" kunnossa, kuten Jeppe oli niin oma pÀÀtös rokotteen suhteen voisi hyvin olla myönteinen.
 
On niin pitkÀ ketju etten jaksa kahlata lÀpi, joten; onko joku hakenut tartuntatautipÀivÀrahaa kelasta? Kuinka kauan kesti saada tartuntatautilÀÀkÀrin todistus (jonka siis tarvitsee tuota rahaa hakeakseen)? Ja kuinka nopeasti tuo kelan hakemus meni lÀpi?
 
Iltasanomissa oli uutinen koronaan kuolleista.



Eli kuolleista alle nelikymppisiĂ€ on 41 / 1 592 eli 2,5%


Eli kaikista kuolleista (myös yli 40v) perusterveitÀ oli 5,6% ja kun mietitÀÀn miten harva kuolleista on alle nelikymppinen, niin kuolemanvaara menee aika lÀhelle nollaa. Vaikea nÀhdÀ mitÀÀn perustetta muiden kuin vanhusten ja monisairaiden rajoituksille.

https://www.is.fi/kotimaa/art-2000008516913.html

Tuo on sillain, ettÀ 30-39v 15 kuollutta ja 40-49v 26 kuollutta. Voit miettiÀ ihan itekses kuinka moni noista oli riskiryhmÀlÀinen. Ei mee paljoa pielee jos sanoo 98-99%
 
On niin pitkÀ ketju etten jaksa kahlata lÀpi, joten; onko joku hakenut tartuntatautipÀivÀrahaa kelasta? Kuinka kauan kesti saada tartuntatautilÀÀkÀrin todistus (jonka siis tarvitsee tuota rahaa hakeakseen)? Ja kuinka nopeasti tuo kelan hakemus meni lÀpi?
Viime talvena olin karanteenissa. Todistus tuli noin viikko lÀÀkÀrin soitosta. Rahat kahden viikon sisÀllÀ.

SitÀ en muista pitikö todistus olla hakemusta tehdessÀ. Mut sun palkanlaskijan tarttee ottaa yhteyttÀ kelaan ja selvittÀÀ kelalle paljonko sulle tulee ansionmenetystÀ.

Kela maksaa sen perusteella
 
KÀytkö testissÀ jokaisen pikku oireen vuoksi? Olen ihmetellyt nÀitÀ ketkÀ saa posi tuloksia harvasepÀivÀ. Vai olitko molemmissa tapauksissa ns kunnolla sairas? Vissiin passissa oli pari leimaa vÀhintÀÀn?
  • olisi pelkĂ€stÀÀn typerÀÀ mennĂ€ sairaana työmaalle ja tartuttaa oman konttorin vĂ€keĂ€, koska se haittaisi tuntuvasti projektin onnistumista ja voisi aiheuttaa iĂ€kkÀÀmmĂ€lle osastolle myös tuntuvia terveydellisiĂ€ ongelmia
  • asiakas mÀÀrittelee aika paljon testausta
  • matkustaminen vaatii testausta
  • tĂ€ssĂ€ maassa joutuu lĂ€hes pĂ€ivittĂ€in tĂ€yttelemÀÀn kyselyitĂ€ mm. oireista ja sakot kusettamisesta ovat aika rajuja
KetÀhÀn nÀmÀ, jotka saavat posi tuloksia harvasepÀivÀ, oikein ovat? Itse olen saanut kymmeniÀ negoja tÀssÀ vÀlissÀ. Ekalla kerralla olin selkeÀsti flunssainen pari pÀivÀÀ, mutta testiin menin jo ennen kuin oireet kunnolla alkoivat, koska sain tietÀÀ altistuneeni. Nyt oireet ovat toistaiseksi olleet varsin mitÀttömiÀ ja mietin tovin sitÀ, ettÀ lÀhdenkö aamulla sorvin ÀÀreen vai testiin. PÀÀtin pelata varman pÀÀlle ja hyvÀ niin, vaikka uskoinkin oireiden johtuvan muusta. Jos olisi iskenyt tyhmyys pÀÀlle ja leijonana olisin ajellut konttorille, niin todennÀköisesti kaikki sieltÀ olisivat pian vÀhintÀÀnkin viikon karanteenissa ja mahdollisesti sairaanakin. Viimeksi sain tartunnan ÀÀliöltÀ intialaiselta, joka ei oireistaan vÀlittÀnyt. Itse en halua olla noin typerÀ. Ne ainoat kerrat, kun testiin olen mennyt omasta pÀÀtöksestÀ jonkin valtion tai asiakkaan vaatimusten sijaan, ovat tuottaneet positiivisen tuloksen.

Suomen passeja mulla on 2-3 kappaletta ja leimoja niihin kertyy paljon. Koronapasseja tai -leimoja en toistaiseksi omaa, mutta pian sellaisten hankkiminen voi tulla ajankohtaiseksi, jos lennot, sali ja ravintolat eivÀt avaudu koronapassittomille.
 
Viime talvena olin karanteenissa. Todistus tuli noin viikko lÀÀkÀrin soitosta. Rahat kahden viikon sisÀllÀ.

SitÀ en muista pitikö todistus olla hakemusta tehdessÀ. Mut sun palkanlaskijan tarttee ottaa yhteyttÀ kelaan ja selvittÀÀ kelalle paljonko sulle tulee ansionmenetystÀ.

Kela maksaa sen perusteella
Alright. Joo palkanlaskijalta tulee paperi tietysti mutta kela vaatii ainakin nyt tosiaan myös tuon tartuntatautilÀÀkÀrin todistuksen tuon ansiotulomenetysselvityksen lisÀksi.
 
EthÀn sÀ laittanut lÀskivittua paksuksi kun noin kiurun puolta pidÀt?
Sulla ja monella muulla on aika vahvat fantasiat Kiurusta, kun kokoajan viittaatte hÀnen genitaaleihensa. Ei siinÀ. Perversionsa kullakin.

Mutta itse tuohon "puolen pitÀmiseen" niin en kyllÀ ole Kiurun "puolia pitÀnyt". Olen hyvin paljon kaikenlisÀksi erimieltÀ useista asioista kyseisen henkilön kanssa. EnkÀ ymmÀrrÀ miksi hÀn edes enÀÀ on missÀÀn roolissa koronan kanssa.
Mutta sensijaan ymmÀrrÀn miksi vastuuta ei haluta ottaa kun nÀkee mitÀ paskaa Kiuru saa osakseen - ja tÀten, vaikka erimieltÀ olenkin, nostan hattua Kiurulle ettÀ sanoo sen mitÀ on mieltÀ.
Jep rokotejono, lounasaikaan oli lÀhes 200m. Hyvin nÀköjÀÀn jossittelu-pelottelu aina vaan uppoaa kansaan.
Joo se oli vielÀ ajanvarausjono. Eli siellÀ vaan oli hommat hidastunut ja olivat jÀljessÀ aikataulusta. EttÀ sen takia jonot, ei sen ettÀ olisi jotenkin ylisuurta intoa rokotuksiin.
Ajanvaraus kuitenkin toimii rajoittavana tekijÀnÀ, niin oisko sit jotain sairastapauksia yms.? EttÀ tökki niin pahasti.
T: jonosta, keuhkovammainen lÀski.
 
  • olisi pelkĂ€stÀÀn typerÀÀ mennĂ€ sairaana työmaalle ja tartuttaa oman konttorin vĂ€keĂ€, koska se haittaisi tuntuvasti projektin onnistumista ja voisi aiheuttaa iĂ€kkÀÀmmĂ€lle osastolle myös tuntuvia terveydellisiĂ€ ongelmia
  • asiakas mÀÀrittelee aika paljon testausta
  • matkustaminen vaatii testausta
  • tĂ€ssĂ€ maassa joutuu lĂ€hes pĂ€ivittĂ€in tĂ€yttelemÀÀn kyselyitĂ€ mm. oireista ja sakot kusettamisesta ovat aika rajuja
KetÀhÀn nÀmÀ, jotka saavat posi tuloksia harvasepÀivÀ, oikein ovat? Itse olen saanut kymmeniÀ negoja tÀssÀ vÀlissÀ. Ekalla kerralla olin selkeÀsti flunssainen pari pÀivÀÀ, mutta testiin menin jo ennen kuin oireet kunnolla alkoivat, koska sain tietÀÀ altistuneeni. Nyt oireet ovat toistaiseksi olleet varsin mitÀttömiÀ ja mietin tovin sitÀ, ettÀ lÀhdenkö aamulla sorvin ÀÀreen vai testiin. PÀÀtin pelata varman pÀÀlle ja hyvÀ niin, vaikka uskoinkin oireiden johtuvan muusta. Jos olisi iskenyt tyhmyys pÀÀlle ja leijonana olisin ajellut konttorille, niin todennÀköisesti kaikki sieltÀ olisivat pian vÀhintÀÀnkin viikon karanteenissa ja mahdollisesti sairaanakin. Viimeksi sain tartunnan ÀÀliöltÀ intialaiselta, joka ei oireistaan vÀlittÀnyt. Itse en halua olla noin typerÀ. Ne ainoat kerrat, kun testiin olen mennyt omasta pÀÀtöksestÀ jonkin valtion tai asiakkaan vaatimusten sijaan, ovat tuottaneet positiivisen tuloksen.

Suomen passeja mulla on 2-3 kappaletta ja leimoja niihin kertyy paljon. Koronapasseja tai -leimoja en toistaiseksi omaa, mutta pian sellaisten hankkiminen voi tulla ajankohtaiseksi, jos lennot, sali ja ravintolat eivÀt avaudu koronapassittomille.
IkÀvÀ kuulla, ettÀ olet joutunut noin pahaan testirumbaan. Kuulostaa jÀrjettömÀlle resurssien haaskaukselle ja muutenkin hölmölÀisen hommalle. KymmeniÀ testejÀ, for what? Ei kuulosta kovin kestÀvÀlle touhulle.

Tarpeettoman testauksen seurannaisvaikutukset ovat karmaisevia. Juuri kuten kerrot. TerveitÀ ihmisiÀ mÀÀrÀtÀÀn turhiin karanteeneihin. Mutta nythÀn tÀmÀ alkaa Suomessa sentÀÀn menemÀÀn kunnolla kiville ja ehkÀpÀ tÀssÀ usempi silmÀ aukeaa.
 

Terveiset JepeltÀ, 55. Mun terveiset Jepen suuntaan alkusyksystÀ 2021 olisivat olleet, ettÀ harkitse nyt ainakin sitÀ rokotetta. IkÀvÀ sanoa, mutta onneksi olen vielÀ nuorehko. Jos olisi itse yli viisikymppinen ja mitenkÀÀn edes "rotevassa" kunnossa, kuten Jeppe oli niin oma pÀÀtös rokotteen suhteen voisi hyvin olla myönteinen.

Valeuutinen, tÀmÀ paljasti

, Isberg oletti pÀÀsevÀnsÀ pian töihin
 
IkÀvÀ kuulla, ettÀ olet joutunut noin pahaan testirumbaan. Kuulostaa jÀrjettömÀlle resurssien haaskaukselle ja muutenkin hölmölÀisen hommalle. KymmeniÀ testejÀ, for what? Ei kuulosta kovin kestÀvÀlle touhulle.

Tarpeettoman testauksen seurannaisvaikutukset ovat karmaisevia. Juuri kuten kerrot. TerveitÀ ihmisiÀ mÀÀrÀtÀÀn turhiin karanteeneihin. Mutta nythÀn tÀmÀ alkaa Suomessa sentÀÀn menemÀÀn kunnolla kiville ja ehkÀpÀ tÀssÀ usempi silmÀ aukeaa.
Kaveri on tanskassa duunissa. JenkkilÀisen firman kansainvÀlinen työmaa. Todella tarkat sÀÀnnöt siellÀ. HeidÀt testataan kahdesti viikossa. Semmonen 1500 ihmistÀ. NykyÀÀn pikatesti. Alkuun tikulla. Testifirma kÀÀrinyt nÀtit rahat tÀnÀ aikana
 
IkÀvÀ kuulla, ettÀ olet joutunut noin pahaan testirumbaan. Kuulostaa jÀrjettömÀlle resurssien haaskaukselle ja muutenkin hölmölÀisen hommalle. KymmeniÀ testejÀ, for what? Ei kuulosta kovin kestÀvÀlle touhulle.

Tarpeettoman testauksen seurannaisvaikutukset ovat karmaisevia. Juuri kuten kerrot. TerveitÀ ihmisiÀ mÀÀrÀtÀÀn turhiin karanteeneihin. Mutta nythÀn tÀmÀ alkaa Suomessa sentÀÀn menemÀÀn kunnolla kiville ja ehkÀpÀ tÀssÀ usempi silmÀ aukeaa.
Testailu on pelkkÀ sivuseikka. Se on tosi helppoa ja halpaa verrattuna siihen, ettÀ moneen maahan ylipÀÀtÀÀn saa paperit kuntoon mennÀ duunailemaan mitÀÀn. Verrattuna siihen, ettÀ alipalkattuna ja yliverotettuna etsisin motivaatiota Suomessa, tikku nokassa ei tunnu yhtÀÀn pahalta.

Testaaminen on yksi tapa rajoittaa tartuntoja. Kun projektissa on paljon vÀkeÀ mukana, niin korona aiheuttaa helposti isoja ongelmia, kun jengi on sairaana tai eristettynÀ.
 
Surullinen esimerkki tÀmÀ Rafaelin tapaus. Edustaa tÀydellisesti sitÀ kun on ulkoistanut kokonaan oman ajattelun terveytensÀ suhteen.


On normaalia, ettÀ australialaiset ovat turhautuneita tÀllaisen taphtuessa, koska he ovat joutuneet kÀymÀÀn lÀpi tiukkoja sulkutiloja. Moni ei ole voinut matkustaa takaisin kotiin, Nadal sanoi.
– MinĂ€ uskon siihen, mitĂ€ lÀÀketieteen asiantuntijat sanovat. Jos he sanovat, ettĂ€ meidĂ€n pitÀÀ ottaa rokotus, silloin me tarvitsemme rokotuksen. Se on minun nĂ€kemykseni.
 
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