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Eikös suolapähkinät ole juuri maapähkinöitä?maistuu ihan pahville ja jälkimaku on ihan hirveä mutta kuinkas terveellisiä noi cashew/saksanpähkinät sitten on verrattuna maapähkinöihin? kuitekin parempi vaihtoehto ku suolapähkinät
mutta niissä on sitä suolaa ja eiköhän niihin ole jotain muutakin lisätty?Eikös suolapähkinät ole juuri maapähkinöitä?
maistuu ihan pahville ja jälkimaku on ihan hirveä mutta kuinkas terveellisiä noi cashew/saksanpähkinät sitten on verrattuna maapähkinöihin? kuitekin parempi vaihtoehto ku suolapähkinät?
Niin ja vielä onko mitään haittaa jos roteiinia tulee yli 4g/kg ku suositellaa 2-3g/kg ja kun haen täydellisyyttä hipovaa ruokavaliota niin nyt ois ravintoarvot n. 35/35/30 ni pitäskö laskee vähä proteiininmäärää ja tilalle joku hedelmä tjsp. et ravintoarvot hipois tota 30/40/30? tiedän että hifistelen liikaa enkä välttämättä edes alota syömään näin tarkkaan haluan vain tietää
No suurin merkitys lienee sillä että tuo pitäisi jakaa useammalle aterialle koska protiinia voi keho hyödyntää n. 30g kerrallaan
Eikös tuo 30g proteiiinia kerralla ole vanha käsitys? Monet täällä pakkiksellakin sitä ovat kommentoineet...
Yössä.
Joo, tuo on toki yksilöllistä, vaihtelee 25-50g välillä, mutta keskiarvolla se on yleisten tutkimusten mukaan kuitenkin tuota luokkaa, vai onko esittää jotain luotettavaa tutkimusta joka osoittaa asian toisin?
Longer-term research challenging the magic limit
If we were to believe the premise that a 20-30 g dose of protein yields a maximal anabolic effect, then it follows that any excess beyond this dose would be wasted. On the contrary, the body is smarter than that. In a 14-day trial, Arnal and colleagues found no difference in fat-free mass or nitrogen retention between consuming 79% of the day’s protein needs (roughly 54 g) in one meal, versus the same amount spread across four meals [11].
Notably, this study was done on young female adults whose fat-free mass averaged 40.8 kg (89.8 lb). Considering that most non-sedentary males have considerably more lean mass than the female subjects used in the aforementioned trial, it’s plausible that much more than 54 g protein in a single meal can be efficiently processed for anabolic and/or anti-catabolic purposes. If we extrapolated the protein dose used in this study (79% of 1.67g/kg) to the average adult male, it would be roughly 85-95 g or even more, depending on just how close someone is to the end of the upper limits of muscular size.
When Arnal and colleagues applied the same protocol to the elderly population, the single-dose treatment actually caused better muscle protein retention than the multiple-dose treatment [12]. This raises the possibility that as we age, larger protein feedings might be necessary to achieve the same effect on protein retention as lesser amounts in our youth.
IF research nailing the coffin shut?
Perhaps the strongest case against the idea of a dosing limit beyond which anabolism or muscle retention can occur is the recent intermittent fasting (IF) research, particularly the trials with a control group on a conventional diet. For example, Soeters and colleagues compared two weeks of IF involving 20-hour fasting cycles with a conventional diet [13]. Despite the IF group’s consumption of an average of 101 g protein in a 4-hour window, there was no difference in preservation of lean mass and muscle protein between groups.
In another example, Stote and colleagues actually reported an improvement in body composition (including an increase in lean mass) after 8 weeks in the IF group consuming one meal per day, where roughly 86 g protein was ingested in a 4-hour window [14]. Interestingly, the conventional group consuming three meals spread throughout the day showed no significant body composition improvements.
Keep in mind that bioelectrical impedance (BIA) was used to determine body composition, so these outcomes should be viewed with caution. I’ve been highly critical of this study in the past, and I still am. Nevertheless, it cannot be completely written off and must be factored into the body of evidence against the idea of a magic protein dose limit.
Tuosta alkuun vaikka.