Rousimar Palhares - Mainettaan parempi ?
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En ihmettelisi jos olisikin oman painoisten naisten paras, pyörittelee ja lukottelee miehiäkin siihen mallii.
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Ensin Palhares oli sun mielestä paras jujutska mitä maailmasta löytyy, muutama kaveri sulle tästä tyhmästä kommentista naureskeli niin Palhares muuttui "ihan maailman huipun kärjessä olevaksi" ja nyt viimeisimmässä viestissäsi "Ufcn listoilla poikkeuksellisen kova bjj mieheksi".
Sun listas niistä äijistä jäi tuohon peukkuun kuten arvelinkin! Sinne vaan säkkiosastolle röllien kanssa tervemenoa. Onhan se poikkeuksellisen kova bbj mies ufcssa, kun sitä kovempi Roger ottaa pataansa eikä saa matossakaan mitään aikaseks. Dana juuri haastiksessa mainitsi että Palhareksella on maailman parhaat jalkalukot. Kannattaa myös opetella erottamaan faktat mielipiteistä. Alkaahan näitä poikkeuksia olemaan Palhareksen lisäksi esimerkiksi Jacare ja muutama muu.
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Ei välttämättä olekkaan, mutta mun mielestä se on paras jutsuka koko maailmassa ja ilman lasejakin katottuna se kuuluu maailman parhaimpiin.
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Kyllähän näistä jalkalukoista on kokemusta jo judosta joskus 60-luvulta. Silloin ne oli loplta pakko kieltää kilpailuista, sillä jalkoja meni paskaksi niin reippaalla tahdilla. Tavallaan siinä sitten loppui myös käytännössä opetus lajissakin.
Jos nyt oikein muistan, niin pahin särkijä taisi kuitenkin olla ns "sakset" eli kani-basami/kani-garami (Judo Leglocks) Katsokaapa vaan, niin kohta alkaa näkyä myös vaparissa. Periaatteessa jos miettii perus clinchiä niin ehkä toimivakin tekniikka vaparissa. Miettikääpä tuota täydessä vauhdissa. Ensiksi vetää taakse ja sitten eteen, jos toinen blokkaa. Nilkat tai polvet paskaksi tai uke mattoon.
Jos nyt oikein muistan, niin pahin särkijä taisi kuitenkin olla ns "sakset" eli kani-basami/kani-garami (Judo Leglocks) Katsokaapa vaan, niin kohta alkaa näkyä myös vaparissa. Periaatteessa jos miettii perus clinchiä niin ehkä toimivakin tekniikka vaparissa. Miettikääpä tuota täydessä vauhdissa. Ensiksi vetää taakse ja sitten eteen, jos toinen blokkaa. Nilkat tai polvet paskaksi tai uke mattoon.
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Rousimar Palhares infamously held a heel hook vs. Mike Pierce at UFN 29 last week, and was released by the UFC, apparently for life.
Palhares has a history of holding heel hooks too long in both MMA, and in grappling, and his former coach, BTT co-founder Murilo Bustamante said there was the same problem in the gym.
"I got tired of seeing how he hurts people so often when he is sparring, especially when he has a fight coming up," said Bustamante. "We used to argue every time it happened, so we argued a lot. That was a reason - together with his nonsense excuses every time he lost a fight - that our relationship started to get bitter."
Palhares' manager Alex Davis took issue with Bustamante's criticism.
"I do know why Rousimar left that team, and let me make it clear that it was not Murilo that asked him to leave," said Davis. "Rousimar left because he felt he was not evolving as a fighter, and there were other fighters who left that camp around that time for the same reason."
Palhares currently fights for Team Noguiera, and team head Rodrigo "Minotauro" Nogueira defended Palhares' conduct in the gym, and explained that heel hooks have to be applied explosively.
"I can say that in our gym, ‘Toquinho’ has never hurt anyone," said Nogueira in a release sent to MMAFighting.com. "He is a good person, excellent company and a man with a great character. I believe that he has never thought of doing anything evil to any opponent because this isn’t his conduct.
"I don’t question UFC’s decision because the people who are in control have a global view of the business and they understand it better than anyone in the whole business that involves our sport."
"It’s a dangerous position and the guy who applies it has to be explosive. At the time, you don’t look at the opponent. ‘Toquinho’ lost the position several times because he released the grip a little. It’s a position that you go with everything or you lose it. It’s a complicated situation. The referee needs to be aware and has to intervene in an energetic way."
Palhares has a history of holding heel hooks too long in both MMA, and in grappling, and his former coach, BTT co-founder Murilo Bustamante said there was the same problem in the gym.
"I got tired of seeing how he hurts people so often when he is sparring, especially when he has a fight coming up," said Bustamante. "We used to argue every time it happened, so we argued a lot. That was a reason - together with his nonsense excuses every time he lost a fight - that our relationship started to get bitter."
Palhares' manager Alex Davis took issue with Bustamante's criticism.
"I do know why Rousimar left that team, and let me make it clear that it was not Murilo that asked him to leave," said Davis. "Rousimar left because he felt he was not evolving as a fighter, and there were other fighters who left that camp around that time for the same reason."
Palhares currently fights for Team Noguiera, and team head Rodrigo "Minotauro" Nogueira defended Palhares' conduct in the gym, and explained that heel hooks have to be applied explosively.
"I can say that in our gym, ‘Toquinho’ has never hurt anyone," said Nogueira in a release sent to MMAFighting.com. "He is a good person, excellent company and a man with a great character. I believe that he has never thought of doing anything evil to any opponent because this isn’t his conduct.
"I don’t question UFC’s decision because the people who are in control have a global view of the business and they understand it better than anyone in the whole business that involves our sport."
"It’s a dangerous position and the guy who applies it has to be explosive. At the time, you don’t look at the opponent. ‘Toquinho’ lost the position several times because he released the grip a little. It’s a position that you go with everything or you lose it. It’s a complicated situation. The referee needs to be aware and has to intervene in an energetic way."
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Rousimar Palhares: I did not want to hurt Mike Pierce - MMA Fighting
In less than two weeks, Rousimar Palhares has become a divisive figure in world of MMA. He was cut and banned by the UFC for holding a submission too long on Mike Pierce at UFC Fight Night 29 in Brazil on Oct. 9, which prompted plenty -- including the Nogueira brothers, who train with him -- to come to his defense.
Others, like UFC president Dana White, have made it clear that there is no room for repeat offenders. Palhares was suspended back in 2010 for 90 days for holding a similar lock on Tomasz Drwal at UFC 111, and has had other issues with sportsmanship in jiu-jitsu competitions.
On Monday, "Toquinho" spoke publicly for the first time since the fight on The MMA Hour, and made it clear that he didn’t think he was in violation of the rules until he watched the fight later on.
"I did not want to hurt him," Palhares said through his manager/interpreter, Alex Davis. "In the heat of the fight, I didn’t feel him tap. Afterwards, when I watched the fight, I’d realized that I’d held on too long. But I really didn’t mean to hurt him, you know? He’s a fighter like I am, and I know that he does this for a living, and I’d never want to hurt him."
Though Palhares did apologize to Pierce and Dana White later on, particularly when it was brought up that Pierce had a sprained MCL and torn ankle tendons, he also tried to explain his defiance on holding submissions beyond the threshold of what’s right. He made it clear he was sorry for the result, but as for the action itself, he segued into reasons and justifications.
"I think it has a lot to do with my style," he said. "I’m really aggressive when I go after the submissions, and there’s been times also when I’ve not held on and people have gotten out of it, and I end up losing the fight. So, it’s kind of the way I fight, but I’ve been getting better, and working a lot on this. But it’s just the way I fight, it’s my style.
White has said that Palhares wouldn’t be welcomed back to the UFC, a closed door proposition that the 33-year old Palhares hopes was also made in the heat of the moment.
"I don’t know, I think time will tell," he said about the possibility of one day returning. "I’m going to continue fighting, and I’ll do my best. I want to be the best in the world, and the UFC is where the best in the world are. And time will tell. I will keep on doing it and getting better and let’s see what happens."
Though Bellator has gone on record saying that it is not interested in bringing in "Toquinho," Davis said that there has been interest from other promotions to sign Palhares, yet that right now nothing has been signed or finalized. Palhares had an 8-4 run in the UFC and at one time was nearing contention in the middleweight division, but the asterisks piled up on his name. Not only did he have the incidents for holding submissions too long, but he was popped for elevated testosterone following his 2012 fight with Hector Lombard, which landed him a nine-month suspension.
Asked outright if he regretted how he handled the end of the Pierce fight in his welterweight debut, Palhares said, "No, I wanted to win by submission." When clarified to mean the particular infraction, not the submission itself, he changed his tune.
"Yes, that part I need to apologize to Mike Pierce and to Dana White," he said. "I was so focused on the fight, I didn’t feel it. I only saw that afterwards."
In less than two weeks, Rousimar Palhares has become a divisive figure in world of MMA. He was cut and banned by the UFC for holding a submission too long on Mike Pierce at UFC Fight Night 29 in Brazil on Oct. 9, which prompted plenty -- including the Nogueira brothers, who train with him -- to come to his defense.
Others, like UFC president Dana White, have made it clear that there is no room for repeat offenders. Palhares was suspended back in 2010 for 90 days for holding a similar lock on Tomasz Drwal at UFC 111, and has had other issues with sportsmanship in jiu-jitsu competitions.
On Monday, "Toquinho" spoke publicly for the first time since the fight on The MMA Hour, and made it clear that he didn’t think he was in violation of the rules until he watched the fight later on.
"I did not want to hurt him," Palhares said through his manager/interpreter, Alex Davis. "In the heat of the fight, I didn’t feel him tap. Afterwards, when I watched the fight, I’d realized that I’d held on too long. But I really didn’t mean to hurt him, you know? He’s a fighter like I am, and I know that he does this for a living, and I’d never want to hurt him."
Though Palhares did apologize to Pierce and Dana White later on, particularly when it was brought up that Pierce had a sprained MCL and torn ankle tendons, he also tried to explain his defiance on holding submissions beyond the threshold of what’s right. He made it clear he was sorry for the result, but as for the action itself, he segued into reasons and justifications.
"I think it has a lot to do with my style," he said. "I’m really aggressive when I go after the submissions, and there’s been times also when I’ve not held on and people have gotten out of it, and I end up losing the fight. So, it’s kind of the way I fight, but I’ve been getting better, and working a lot on this. But it’s just the way I fight, it’s my style.
White has said that Palhares wouldn’t be welcomed back to the UFC, a closed door proposition that the 33-year old Palhares hopes was also made in the heat of the moment.
"I don’t know, I think time will tell," he said about the possibility of one day returning. "I’m going to continue fighting, and I’ll do my best. I want to be the best in the world, and the UFC is where the best in the world are. And time will tell. I will keep on doing it and getting better and let’s see what happens."
Though Bellator has gone on record saying that it is not interested in bringing in "Toquinho," Davis said that there has been interest from other promotions to sign Palhares, yet that right now nothing has been signed or finalized. Palhares had an 8-4 run in the UFC and at one time was nearing contention in the middleweight division, but the asterisks piled up on his name. Not only did he have the incidents for holding submissions too long, but he was popped for elevated testosterone following his 2012 fight with Hector Lombard, which landed him a nine-month suspension.
Asked outright if he regretted how he handled the end of the Pierce fight in his welterweight debut, Palhares said, "No, I wanted to win by submission." When clarified to mean the particular infraction, not the submission itself, he changed his tune.
"Yes, that part I need to apologize to Mike Pierce and to Dana White," he said. "I was so focused on the fight, I didn’t feel it. I only saw that afterwards."
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Parempi näin jatkon kannalta. Mies joka myöntää virheensä on helpompi palkata kuin mies joka ei oikeasti tiedä edes mitä tapahtu.
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Mahtaa niitä nyt vituttaa jotka tuota heel hookkia puolustivat tappiin asi.
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Olis kiva jos pallihaara haviais ja voittaja pitais lukkoa liian kauan ja lopettais sen uran. Olis kiva kuulla kommentit matsin jalkeen.
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Tuo olisi kyllä ollut hyvä matsi. Myös Maia vs. Palhares.
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Joo kyllä maailmassa on paljon menestyneempiäkin jiujitsukoita, mutta on Palhares viihdyttävimmästä päästä.
Lister vs. Palhares subbarimatsi olisi kyllä näkemisen arvoinen. Listerin uskoisin kuitenkin voittavan. Jalkalukot kaverilla varmasti samaa tasoa, kuin Palharesilla, joten en uskoisi Rousimarin saavan mitään lopetusta kiinni. Ja peruspainissa veikkaisin Listerin olevan parempi. Voin toki olla väärässäkin.
Ja kun näitä kovia jiujitsukoita tänne haluttiin listailla, niin tyyppejä ketä laittaisin tällee nopeesti mietittynä Palharesin edelle (napsin tyyppejä eri painoluokista)... Rafael Mendez, Rubens Charles, Xande Ribeiro, Dean Lister, Marcello Garcia, Roger Grazie, Roberto Abreu, Braulio Estima, Andre Galvao, Marcus "Buchecha" Almeida ja ehkä jopa Bernando Fariankin... Että onhan näitä...
Ja tuli mieleen mielenkiintoinen matsi... Keenan Cornelius vs. Palhares! Olisi kiva nähdä miten Keenan tuohon matsiin lähtisi.
Mutta kova setä Palhares on, ei siitä pääse yli eikä ympäri!
Lister vs. Palhares subbarimatsi olisi kyllä näkemisen arvoinen. Listerin uskoisin kuitenkin voittavan. Jalkalukot kaverilla varmasti samaa tasoa, kuin Palharesilla, joten en uskoisi Rousimarin saavan mitään lopetusta kiinni. Ja peruspainissa veikkaisin Listerin olevan parempi. Voin toki olla väärässäkin.
Ja kun näitä kovia jiujitsukoita tänne haluttiin listailla, niin tyyppejä ketä laittaisin tällee nopeesti mietittynä Palharesin edelle (napsin tyyppejä eri painoluokista)... Rafael Mendez, Rubens Charles, Xande Ribeiro, Dean Lister, Marcello Garcia, Roger Grazie, Roberto Abreu, Braulio Estima, Andre Galvao, Marcus "Buchecha" Almeida ja ehkä jopa Bernando Fariankin... Että onhan näitä...
Ja tuli mieleen mielenkiintoinen matsi... Keenan Cornelius vs. Palhares! Olisi kiva nähdä miten Keenan tuohon matsiin lähtisi.
Mutta kova setä Palhares on, ei siitä pääse yli eikä ympäri!
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Rousimar Palhares vs. Dean Lister submission match varmistettu
Rousimar Palhares vs. Dean Lister submission match set for 2013 World Jiu-Jitsu Expo - MMAmania.com
Rousimar Palhares vs. Dean Lister submission match set for 2013 World Jiu-Jitsu Expo - MMAmania.com
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Dean Lister - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Eipä vakuuta viimeiset vuodet Listeriltä......
Eipä vakuuta viimeiset vuodet Listeriltä......
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Viimeisen seitsemän vuoden aikana vain kolme häviötä ja ne on Nate Marquardtille joka oli tuolloin viiden matsin voittoputkessa ja voitettuaan Listerin Marquardt pääsi mestaruusmatsiin Anderson Silvaa vastaan. Yushin Okamille joka oli voittanut viimeisestä yhdeksästä matsistaan kahdekstan ja jonka ainoa häviö oli Rich Franklille UFC Middleweight title eliminator matsissa ja Thales Leitesille joka on tuon Lister matsin jälkeen kuusi seitsemästä ottelustaan häviten vain Matt Horwichia vastaan.. Kaikki häviöt koko uransa aikana tulleet tuomarien toimesta eli ei ole koskaan tullut tyrmätyksi tai subitetuksi. Näin siis MMA:ssa.
2x (US) sambo champion.
4x Machado National (US) BJJ champion
1x National (US) Gracie BJJ champion.
3x ADCC World champion
Kaverista en tosin mitään tiedä, näin kertoi Wikipedia :D
