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Meillä kans pe poistui rättipakko konttuurilla. Jonniin verran vielä näkyy porukkaa jotka on rakkaudesta lajiin.
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Mulla on hauska tarina tosta samankaton alla tartunnoista; kaverilla on iso perhe(afrikkalaistausta), Se on kaks kertaa onnistunu välttää tartunnan vaikka perheen jäsenistä on ollut monella koronatartunta- ei vaan iske kaveriin. (tyyliin 10 henkee asuu samankaton alla)
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Varianttina tämä nykyinen tarttuvampaa sorttia. Selittänee tuon?
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Kyllä todella outoa. Levittääkö nämä rokotetut sitten niin tehokkaasti virusta ilman isompia oireita vai mikä tämän selittää? Olisiko ollut fiksumpaa rokottaa vaan ne riskiryhmään kuuluvat ja ohjeistaa ettei oireisena liikuta ihmisten ilmoilla. Olisiko lopputulos hoitopaikkojen suhteen ollut parempi? Miten olisi maskipakko rokotetuille?
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Ei niitä tuplarokotettuja tarvitse pakottaa, ne käyttävät jo kaikki maskia. Ne jotka tulevat kaupassa vastaan ilman maskia ovat todennäköisesti myös rokottamattomia.Miten olisi maskipakko rokotetuille?
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Koronaa kiinassa 2019 keväällä jo?
Chinese President Xi Jinping inspects facilities in Wuhan in March 2020. Purchases of PCR tests from animal testing bureaus and universities in the region soared starting in May 2019. © Xinhua/Kyodo
MASAYA KATO, Nikkei staff writerOctober 5, 2021 04:00 JSTUpdated on October 5, 2021 11:49 JST
TOKYO -- Purchases of PCR tests in China's Hubei Province surged months before the first official reports of a novel coronavirus case there, according to a report by Australia-based cybersecurity company Internet 2.0.
About 67.4 million yuan ($10.5 million at current rates) was spent on PCR tests in Hubei during 2019, nearly double the 2018 total, with the upswing starting in May, according to the report.
Internet 2.0 collected and analyzed data from a website that aggregates information on public procurement bids in China. The analysis team consists of former officials from intelligence agencies in the U.S., the U.K., Australia, and other countries.
The report casts further doubt on China's official line about the origins of the virus, a topic that has fueled tensions between Beijing and Washington. China's foreign ministry has disputed the report's findings.
PCR, or polymerase chain reaction, tests are used to detect the presence of a particular genetic sequence in a sample, and they have applications beyond COVID-19 testing. But the report alleges the unusual uptick likely signals awareness of a new disease spreading in and around Wuhan, the capital of Hubei Province.
Orders doubled from universities, jumped fivefold from the Chinese Center for Disease Control and Prevention and surged tenfold from animal testing bureaus. Purchases from hospitals declined by more than 10%.
Monthly procurement data shows a spike in orders in May, especially from CDC buyers and the People's Liberation Army.
"We believe the increased spending in May suggests this as the earliest start date for possible infection," the report said.
Purchases rose sharply from July through October as well, in particular from the Wuhan University of Science and Technology. The institution spent 8.92 million yuan on PCR tests in 2019, about eight times its total for the previous year.
The university, along with local hospitals and public health authorities, plays a direct role in responding to outbreaks of new diseases, according to the report.
The involvement of these groups provides evidence that "the increase of purchasing was most likely linked to the emergence of COVID-19 in Hubei Province in 2019," the report said. "We assess with high confidence that the pandemic began much earlier than China informed the [World Health Organization] about COVID-19."
China's Foreign Ministry disputed the findings. In a response to Bloomberg News, a spokesperson said the findings fall into the same category as other dubious claims about the origins of the coronavirus, including a "so-called paper" that analyzed traffic volumes near several hospitals in Wuhan and searched for the keywords "cough" and "diarrhea" before concluding that the outbreak began in Wuhan as early as August 2019.
"Virus traceability is a serious scientific issue that should be addressed by scientists," the spokesperson told Bloomberg. China's State Council Information Office published a white paper on the country's actions to combat Covid-19 that with "a clear timeline and iron-clad facts" chronicles its efforts to fight the epidemic, the spokesperson said.
The U.S. and China have butted heads over the issue since the early days of the pandemic. Beijing told the WHO that the first symptomatic case was recorded Dec. 8, 2019. But some in the U.S. allege that the virus was circulating in humans before then, with claims that it leaked from a research laboratory.
"We can't say for sure with just" the public procurement information, said Akira Igata, a visiting professor at Tama Graduate School of Business in Tokyo who examined that data independently, "but it's strong information for making the case that there was awareness of a virus outbreak around Wuhan several months to half a year before that December."
"This report could provide an opportunity for countries to press China for information again," Igata said.
Satellite images from Wuhan hospital parking lots show a sharp increase in activity starting in August 2019, according to a study last year by researchers from Harvard and other institutions. But a report in August by U.S. intelligence agencies found no confirmation as to whether the disease spilled over from an animal host or leaked from a lab.
"There has been no sharing of usable data from China regarding how and when COVID-19 started," said David Robinson, one of the authors of the latest report. "Zero transparency has fueled a lot of hypothesis, theory, misinformation as well as heartache for the victims."
"Internet 2.0 has used our skills to try and provide some reliable data for the world coming to terms with the impacts of this pandemic," he added, referring to the cybersecurity company that published the report.
China PCR test orders soared before first confirmed COVID case
Report on government contracts show surges in Wuhan-area purchases from May 2019
Chinese President Xi Jinping inspects facilities in Wuhan in March 2020. Purchases of PCR tests from animal testing bureaus and universities in the region soared starting in May 2019. © Xinhua/Kyodo
MASAYA KATO, Nikkei staff writerOctober 5, 2021 04:00 JSTUpdated on October 5, 2021 11:49 JST
TOKYO -- Purchases of PCR tests in China's Hubei Province surged months before the first official reports of a novel coronavirus case there, according to a report by Australia-based cybersecurity company Internet 2.0.
About 67.4 million yuan ($10.5 million at current rates) was spent on PCR tests in Hubei during 2019, nearly double the 2018 total, with the upswing starting in May, according to the report.
Internet 2.0 collected and analyzed data from a website that aggregates information on public procurement bids in China. The analysis team consists of former officials from intelligence agencies in the U.S., the U.K., Australia, and other countries.
The report casts further doubt on China's official line about the origins of the virus, a topic that has fueled tensions between Beijing and Washington. China's foreign ministry has disputed the report's findings.
PCR, or polymerase chain reaction, tests are used to detect the presence of a particular genetic sequence in a sample, and they have applications beyond COVID-19 testing. But the report alleges the unusual uptick likely signals awareness of a new disease spreading in and around Wuhan, the capital of Hubei Province.
Orders doubled from universities, jumped fivefold from the Chinese Center for Disease Control and Prevention and surged tenfold from animal testing bureaus. Purchases from hospitals declined by more than 10%.
Monthly procurement data shows a spike in orders in May, especially from CDC buyers and the People's Liberation Army.
"We believe the increased spending in May suggests this as the earliest start date for possible infection," the report said.
Purchases rose sharply from July through October as well, in particular from the Wuhan University of Science and Technology. The institution spent 8.92 million yuan on PCR tests in 2019, about eight times its total for the previous year.
The university, along with local hospitals and public health authorities, plays a direct role in responding to outbreaks of new diseases, according to the report.
The involvement of these groups provides evidence that "the increase of purchasing was most likely linked to the emergence of COVID-19 in Hubei Province in 2019," the report said. "We assess with high confidence that the pandemic began much earlier than China informed the [World Health Organization] about COVID-19."
China's Foreign Ministry disputed the findings. In a response to Bloomberg News, a spokesperson said the findings fall into the same category as other dubious claims about the origins of the coronavirus, including a "so-called paper" that analyzed traffic volumes near several hospitals in Wuhan and searched for the keywords "cough" and "diarrhea" before concluding that the outbreak began in Wuhan as early as August 2019.
"Virus traceability is a serious scientific issue that should be addressed by scientists," the spokesperson told Bloomberg. China's State Council Information Office published a white paper on the country's actions to combat Covid-19 that with "a clear timeline and iron-clad facts" chronicles its efforts to fight the epidemic, the spokesperson said.
The U.S. and China have butted heads over the issue since the early days of the pandemic. Beijing told the WHO that the first symptomatic case was recorded Dec. 8, 2019. But some in the U.S. allege that the virus was circulating in humans before then, with claims that it leaked from a research laboratory.
"We can't say for sure with just" the public procurement information, said Akira Igata, a visiting professor at Tama Graduate School of Business in Tokyo who examined that data independently, "but it's strong information for making the case that there was awareness of a virus outbreak around Wuhan several months to half a year before that December."
"This report could provide an opportunity for countries to press China for information again," Igata said.
Satellite images from Wuhan hospital parking lots show a sharp increase in activity starting in August 2019, according to a study last year by researchers from Harvard and other institutions. But a report in August by U.S. intelligence agencies found no confirmation as to whether the disease spilled over from an animal host or leaked from a lab.
"There has been no sharing of usable data from China regarding how and when COVID-19 started," said David Robinson, one of the authors of the latest report. "Zero transparency has fueled a lot of hypothesis, theory, misinformation as well as heartache for the victims."
"Internet 2.0 has used our skills to try and provide some reliable data for the world coming to terms with the impacts of this pandemic," he added, referring to the cybersecurity company that published the report.
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Varmaan jouluksi niin saadaan kovin efekti ja syyllistysagenda päälle.
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Vo voi covid fanbasea kun itse lääkefirmat vahvistavat tämän kusetuksen.
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Sama juttu. Paitsi yksi epäkohta ohjeistuksessa.
"rokottamattomille suositellaan edelleen kasvomaskeja"
Aivan järjetöntä ja tuollaista manipulointia/kiusaa jos covid piikin väliinjättänyt. Toki kuka vittu tuota noudattaa, mutta silti kerrotaan rivienvälissä noin
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Kun ottaa rokotteen, niin aletaan liikkumaan vapaammin? Jolloin leviäminen kiihtyy.
Mutta silti kuolemaan johtavat caset ei räjähdä?
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Seurataan miten kehittyy.
Ruotsissa identtisellä tavalla piikit jaettu, mutta huomattavasti enemmän luonnollista immuniteettia väestössä. Ja kansa liikkeellä pitkän aikaa eikä muutenkaan isommin rajoituksia. Siellä käyrät menee päinvastaiseen suuntaan.
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Vai ei?
katsoppa tuolta, miten on käynyt:
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/singapore/
Toki absoluuttisina lukuina ei ole paljon, mutta trendi melko selvästi nähtävissä.
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Katoin tuon pätkän ja päällimmäisenä jäi mieleen kun tuo yks jätkä sanoi että koko ajan on tunne että työntekijöitä seurataan ja kuunnellaan. Mahtaa olla hyvä työilmapiiri noissa firmoissa.
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Meillä oli jännä ohjeistus tapaamisiin: Tuplapiikitetyt voi ihan vapaasti häröillä miten huvittaa mutta rokottamattomien pitäisi käyttää naamareita ja huolehtia turvaetäisyyksistä jne, _ja_ tapaamisen järjestäjä voi kysellä osanottajien rokotusstatusta ja osanottaja voi niin halutessaan sen kertoa.
Ei oo pahemmin statuksia kyselty ja tuskin meidän osastolla tullaankaan kyselee mutta voisin kuvitella et aiheuttaa pikkusen kiusallisia tilanteita: "Mikäs rokotusstatus?" "- En kommentoi" => "Ei otettu, siis"
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Jep ja muutenkin painotetaan kokoajan ettei saa puhua näistä jne.Katoin tuon pätkän ja päällimmäisenä jäi mieleen kun tuo yks jätkä sanoi että koko ajan on tunne että työntekijöitä seurataan ja kuunnellaan. Mahtaa olla hyvä työilmapiiri noissa firmoissa.
Miettikää kuinka absurdia tämä on?
Lääkefirma minkä julkisuuskuva on tyyliin hyvänteko ja tällä hetkellä MAAILMAN PELASTAMINEN
On silti kaikki salattua ja pidetään pelon ilmapiiriä yllä ettei mistään saa puhua mitään vaikka epäkohdat vain loistavat tässä narratiivissa.
Ilman mitään professorin tutkintoja tai muuta fact check paskaa jokainen järjissään oleva voi todeta, että meitä kusetaan rankasti. Mikään oikea pandemia ei vaadi tällaista mitä näemme.
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Juu. Silti ärsyttää tuo meidän suositus epäloogisuudessaa ja siinä miten koitetaan silti kiusata viimiseen asti. On varmasti ihmisiä jotka eivät ole ottaneet piikkiä, mutta kärsivät tästä tilanteesta koska eivät oikein osaa suhteuttaa asioita. Vaikkapa sellainen joka ottanut 1. piikin eikä uskalla ottaa toista koska sai niin pahat oireet tai näki kun läheinen sai oireita/kuoli siihen.
Näillä on todella vaikeaa tässä syyllistämisessä ja vittuilussa.