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Heitämpä kehiin tällaisen kymysyksen, että onko siitä mitään oikeata faktaa mistä lihasten kipeytyminen treenin jälkeen oikein johtuu?

No, älkää ainakaan sanoko että kovasta reenistä... :itku:

.mutta onko siinä jotain muutakin syytä kun pelkästään että lihas on energiavajeessa?

Lueskelin vanhempaa "voimaharjoittelu"-nimistä kirjaa jonka ostin nuaruurenvuosina ja siellä oli tästä palautumisesta että (väsymys) johtuu siitä kun lihas on energiavajeessa ja täyttää glykogeenivarastojaan, ja että palautumisvaiheessa maitohappoa voi olla lihaksessa vielä pieniä määriä.
Kuitenki siinä mainittiin että melkein kaikki maitohapot poistuu lihaksesta jo muutaman ensimmäisen tunnin aikana.

Siitä vaan ei ollut oikein selvitystä että mistä se "seuraavan päivän kipu" johtuu.

-vai onko se edes "kipua", vai pelkkää väsymystä lihaksessa vaan?
 
Kipu on heikkouden poistumista !

Ainakin yksi asia mikä saattaa kipua aiheuttaa on se että varsinkin body-tyylisessä treenaamisessahan on tarkoituksena saada rikottua vanhoja lihassoluja. Elimistö korjaa vaurioituneet lihassolut ja rakentaa muutaman uuden lisää estääkseen uuden rikkoutumisen (mutta mepä vaihdammekin isompaan painoon, jotta saamme rikottua ne uudestaan.)

Tähän tyyliin minulle on selitetty, älkää vetäkö herneitä tai muutakaan nenäänne.
 
Even though the benefits of regular exercise are well known, many of us don't do it. One reason may be that pain or discomfort sometimes goes along with fitness activities. But starting or continuing an exercise program may be easier if you understand what muscle soreness is and what to do about it.

Sorting Out Soreness
Aside from the pain of muscle injuries such as strains, there are two common kinds of exercise-related muscle soreness. One is acute soreness, which occurs during or immediately after exercise; the other kind is delayed-onset muscle soreness (DOMS), which develops 12 hours or longer after exercise.

Acute soreness. Muscle soreness during and immediately after exercise usually reflects simple fatigue, caused by a buildup of chemical waste products of exercise. If so, the discomfort will often subside after a minute or two of rest. Once the soreness goes away, you can usually continue exercising without any residual effects. If discomfort persists despite a rest period, you should stop your activity and rest the part of the body that is involved. You should not proceed with your workout until you're able to exercise that area without pain.

Delayed soreness. DOMS after a workout is common, particularly if you aren't used to the activity. If, for example, you haven't exercised for 6 months, and then you suddenly walk 3 miles and do some push-ups and sit-ups, you may feel soreness over much of your body the next morning. You may also notice muscle stiffness and weakness. Such symptoms are a normal response to unusual exertion and are part of an adaptation process that leads to greater strength once the muscles recover. The soreness is generally at its worst within the first 2 days following the activity and subsides over the next few days.

Causes of DOMS
DOMS is thought to be a result of microscopic tearing of the muscle fibers. The amount of tearing depends on how hard and how long you exercise and what type of exercise you do. For example, activities in which muscles forcefully contract while they are lengthening tend to cause the most soreness. These "eccentric" contractions, as they are called, provide a braking action; they occur in activities such as descending stairs, running downhill, lowering weights, and performing the downward movements of squats and push-ups.

In addition to microscopic tearing, swelling may take place in and around a muscle, which can also contribute to delayed soreness. Such swelling increases pressure on the neighboring structures, resulting in greater muscle pain and stiffness. Eccentric muscle contractions tend to cause both microtearing and swelling.

Preventing DOMS
Certain tactics may enable you to avoid delayed soreness altogether, or at least keep it to a minimum. One step is to warm up thoroughly before activity and cool down completely afterward. This can be done by stretching the muscles that you will be using and by doing a few minutes of light, low-impact aerobic activity, such as walking or biking.

It's also important to give your muscles time to adapt to your activity. For instance, if you have been inactive and your goal is to walk 3 miles in 45 minutes, start by simply walking a mile or so, and then add another quarter- to half-mile at each workout until you can comfortably walk 3 miles. Then you can begin to increase your walking pace to achieve your goal.

These principles to avoid DOMS can apply to any activity, especially weight training. Begin with a weight that you can comfortably use to perform 3 sets of 10 repetitions for an exercise. Continue to use this weight until you can perform 3 sets of 15 repetitions. At the next workout, increase the weight to one that will allow 3 sets of 10 repetitions, and increase the repetitions to 15 as with the first weight. This process should continue until you reach the level of resistance that is appropriate for your training goals.

Even if you're exercising regularly, any unaccustomed activity may cause delayed soreness, so, if possible, avoid making sudden major changes in the type of exercise you do or how long you do it.

Dealing With Soreness
Let's say you overdo it one weekend by hiking and playing flag football or pick-up basketball. What are your options? Most experts would say the soreness will go away in 3 to 7 days with no special treatment. But there are some things you can do that may reduce the soreness and speed your recovery to some extent.

Initially, you should avoid any vigorous activity that increases pain, though you may work the unaffected areas of your body. By exercising unaffected areas or by performing low-impact aerobic activities such as biking or walking at a moderate pace, blood flow can be increased to the affected muscles, which may help diminish soreness.

Other measures include applying ice, gently stretching, and massaging the affected muscles, which may be helpful for some people and poses little risk if done sensibly. Also, nonsteroidal anti-inflammatory medications like aspirin or ibuprofen may reduce the soreness temporarily, though they won't actually speed healing. These medications are available over the counter, and they can be prescribed by physicians in greater strengths. And there is some evidence that vitamin C may decrease soreness.

Finally, you should allow the soreness, weakness, and stiffness to subside thoroughly before vigorously exercising the affected muscles again, and don't forget to stretch and warm up before your targeted activity. If your pain persists longer than about 7 days or increases despite these measures, consult your physician.

Remember: This information is not intended as a substitute for medical treatment. Before starting an exercise program, consult a physician.

The opinions expressed herein are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the opinions of the US Department of Defense, the US Air Force, or other federal agencies.

Captain Ross is a physical therapist and instructor in the department of biology at the United States Air Force Academy in Colorado Springs. He is a member of the Orthopedic section of the American Physical Therapy Association.



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Jasd sanoi:
Lihassoluja ei tule lisää, vaan niiden määrä on vakio. Vain niiden koko kasvaa.
Tästä on aika ristiriitaista tietoa tapahtuuko hyperplasiaa, eli lihassolujen määrän kasvua. Ongelmana on lihassolujen määrän mittaaminen ennen ja jälkeen harjoituksen. Luultavaa on että hyperplasiaa tapahtuu, mutta tätä ei ole pystytty todentamaan. Joku voinee korjata, jos asiasta on saatu uutta tutkimustietoa.
 
Jasd sanoi:
Lihassoluja ei tule lisää, vaan niiden määrä on vakio. Vain niiden koko kasvaa.
Tästä on mielestäni tieteellisestikkin väitelty, eikä lopullista "totuutta" ole tiedossa, mutta hyvä että sinä olet sen sentään löytänyt.
 
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Elikkä minä sain huonolla enklannintaidollani tuosta sen verran irti, niinkuin täällä jo sanottiinkin että kipu johtuu lihassolujen rakenteen rikkoutumisesta ja korjaantumis-prosessista...

Aika hyvin sanottu, että kipu on heikkouden poistumista!

Sehän on sitten tuo kipukin ihan mukava homma :hyper: , mutta sitä vaan rupesin miettimään että kiellettiinkö tossa artikkelissa kaikki treenaaminen ennenkun on ihan KOKONAAN kipu/arkuus poissa? Se taas ei oo oikeen mukava homma :itku: , sitten pitäis pitää joskus monenki päivän taukoja ja mulla ainakin tuppaa menemään pasmat sekaisin jos en saa noudattaa orjallisen pilkuntarkasti viikko-ohjelmaani jos banaanikin puuttuu kaapista kello 20 niin akka ja kakarat saa kuulla helvettiä :evil: ; -no ei vaiskaan :lol2:

Joo...-pitääpäs mietiskellä treenaamistiheyttä...pää kestää enemmän kun kroppa :wall:
 
"Lihaskasvun fysiologinen mekanismi on vieläkin tutkijoille osittain epäselvää. Todisteita on olemassa sekä lihassolujen hypertrofiasta että hyperplasiasta, mutta täysin pitävää kokonaiskuvaa ei asiasta ole.

Faktoina tiedetään, että lihakset kasvaessaan sitovat typpeä, jota saadaan ravinnosta, ja lihaksisto saadaan saatettua typpeä varaavaan tilaan vain kyllin intensiivisillä lihassupistuksilla, joita täytyy harjoituskerralla olla lukumääräisesti riittävästi. Kasvuärsykkeiden jälkeen lihaksille pitää suoda riittävästi lepoaikaa ja ravintoa."

Lähde: http://body.planet.fi/kehmyyt.htm
 
Pjuus sanoi:
Even though the benefits of regular exercise are well known, many of us don't do it. One reason may be that pain or discomfort sometimes goes along with fitness activities. But starting or continuing an exercise program may be easier if you understand what muscle soreness is and what to do about it.

Sorting Out Soreness
Aside from the pain of muscle injuries such as strains, there are two common kinds of exercise-related muscle soreness. One is acute soreness, which occurs during or immediately after exercise; the other kind is delayed-onset muscle soreness (DOMS), which develops 12 hours or longer after exercise.

Acute soreness. Muscle soreness during and immediately after exercise usually reflects simple fatigue, caused by a buildup of chemical waste products of exercise. If so, the discomfort will often subside after a minute or two of rest. Once the soreness goes away, you can usually continue exercising without any residual effects. If discomfort persists despite a rest period, you should stop your activity and rest the part of the body that is involved. You should not proceed with your workout until you're able to exercise that area without pain.

Delayed soreness. DOMS after a workout is common, particularly if you aren't used to the activity. If, for example, you haven't exercised for 6 months, and then you suddenly walk 3 miles and do some push-ups and sit-ups, you may feel soreness over much of your body the next morning. You may also notice muscle stiffness and weakness. Such symptoms are a normal response to unusual exertion and are part of an adaptation process that leads to greater strength once the muscles recover. The soreness is generally at its worst within the first 2 days following the activity and subsides over the next few days.

Causes of DOMS
DOMS is thought to be a result of microscopic tearing of the muscle fibers. The amount of tearing depends on how hard and how long you exercise and what type of exercise you do. For example, activities in which muscles forcefully contract while they are lengthening tend to cause the most soreness. These "eccentric" contractions, as they are called, provide a braking action; they occur in activities such as descending stairs, running downhill, lowering weights, and performing the downward movements of squats and push-ups.

In addition to microscopic tearing, swelling may take place in and around a muscle, which can also contribute to delayed soreness. Such swelling increases pressure on the neighboring structures, resulting in greater muscle pain and stiffness. Eccentric muscle contractions tend to cause both microtearing and swelling.

Preventing DOMS
Certain tactics may enable you to avoid delayed soreness altogether, or at least keep it to a minimum. One step is to warm up thoroughly before activity and cool down completely afterward. This can be done by stretching the muscles that you will be using and by doing a few minutes of light, low-impact aerobic activity, such as walking or biking.

It's also important to give your muscles time to adapt to your activity. For instance, if you have been inactive and your goal is to walk 3 miles in 45 minutes, start by simply walking a mile or so, and then add another quarter- to half-mile at each workout until you can comfortably walk 3 miles. Then you can begin to increase your walking pace to achieve your goal.

These principles to avoid DOMS can apply to any activity, especially weight training. Begin with a weight that you can comfortably use to perform 3 sets of 10 repetitions for an exercise. Continue to use this weight until you can perform 3 sets of 15 repetitions. At the next workout, increase the weight to one that will allow 3 sets of 10 repetitions, and increase the repetitions to 15 as with the first weight. This process should continue until you reach the level of resistance that is appropriate for your training goals.

Even if you're exercising regularly, any unaccustomed activity may cause delayed soreness, so, if possible, avoid making sudden major changes in the type of exercise you do or how long you do it.

Dealing With Soreness
Let's say you overdo it one weekend by hiking and playing flag football or pick-up basketball. What are your options? Most experts would say the soreness will go away in 3 to 7 days with no special treatment. But there are some things you can do that may reduce the soreness and speed your recovery to some extent.

Initially, you should avoid any vigorous activity that increases pain, though you may work the unaffected areas of your body. By exercising unaffected areas or by performing low-impact aerobic activities such as biking or walking at a moderate pace, blood flow can be increased to the affected muscles, which may help diminish soreness.

Other measures include applying ice, gently stretching, and massaging the affected muscles, which may be helpful for some people and poses little risk if done sensibly. Also, nonsteroidal anti-inflammatory medications like aspirin or ibuprofen may reduce the soreness temporarily, though they won't actually speed healing. These medications are available over the counter, and they can be prescribed by physicians in greater strengths. And there is some evidence that vitamin C may decrease soreness.

Finally, you should allow the soreness, weakness, and stiffness to subside thoroughly before vigorously exercising the affected muscles again, and don't forget to stretch and warm up before your targeted activity. If your pain persists longer than about 7 days or increases despite these measures, consult your physician.

Remember: This information is not intended as a substitute for medical treatment. Before starting an exercise program, consult a physician.

The opinions expressed herein are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the opinions of the US Department of Defense, the US Air Force, or other federal agencies.

Captain Ross is a physical therapist and instructor in the department of biology at the United States Air Force Academy in Colorado Springs. He is a member of the Orthopedic section of the American Physical Therapy Association.



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Aina joku saatanan pitkä lista enkun kielellä ja siinä selitetty joku juttu... harmi vaan kun kaikki ei älyä englantia niin hyvin (varsinkaan kun on kysen kehonrakennuksesta) :wall: niin olisi hyvä jos löytyisi useammin ihan suomenkielellä tietoa... kukaan ei ilmeisesti jaksa sepostaa "tiedettä" suomenkielellä nettiin.. :(
 
Jampe9, jos treenaat lihat vaikka kerran viikossa läpi, niin helposti tulee pariksi päiväksi kipeeksi, mutta kokeilepa vetää koko kroppa kahden tai kolmen päivän kierrolla niin ei tule lihat juuri yhtään kipeäksi parin kierroksen jälkeen, kun kroppa tottuu palautumaan nopeammin.
 

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Aina joku saatanan pitkä lista enkun kielellä ja siinä selitetty joku juttu... harmi vaan kun kaikki ei älyä englantia niin hyvin (varsinkaan kun on kysen kehonrakennuksesta) niin olisi hyvä jos löytyisi useammin ihan suomenkielellä tietoa... kukaan ei ilmeisesti jaksa sepostaa "tiedettä" suomenkielellä nettiin..
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